Re: oracle has customers over a barrel
From: jefftyzzer <jefftyzzer_at_sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <72dc7cfe-be56-412c-a40a-f60f44b712db_at_o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 11, 10:18 am, joel garry <joel-ga..._at_home.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 6:37 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Pow..._at_eds.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 7:52 am, Serge Rielau <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > > Captain Pedantic wrote:
>
> > > > "Serge Rielau" <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:7guq1bF2r6kklU1_at_mid.individual.net...
> > > >> DBA wrote:
> > > >>>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147052120632.htm
> > > >> There are those who bicker and those who act.
> > > >> So many new friends these days. :-)
> > > >>http://www.channeldb2.com/video/enabling-applications-from
>
> > > > DB2 supports Oracle SQL PL/SQL out of the box?
> > > > Really?
> > > > DB2 the mainframe database ...?
>
> > > DB2 9.7 for LUW, yes, not all of it, but enough to do "exception based"
> > > tweaks rather than redesign.
> > > In the coming fixpack we'll even do BULK COLLECT and FORRALL.
> > > There is a developerworks article written by myself outlining what's
> > > supported:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0907ora...
>
> > > Cheers
> > > Serge
> > > --
> > > Serge Rielau
> > > SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
> > > IBM Toronto Lab
>
> > From past experience IBM has made changes where we had to pay license
> > charges to keep using features that were bundled in some of our
> > existing IBM products prior to upgrades on our mainframe so IBM is no
> > angel. Nor is DB2 cheap. DB2 is available to run on Linux and I
> > believe on some other platforms as well.
>
> > As far as the claim in the article that mySQL is a competitor to
> > Oracle (or DB2 or SQL Server for that matter) it just really is not
> > true. Mission Criticial systems do not run on mySQL. If you need
> > ACID compliant systems you have to obtain a database engine to run
> > under mySQL. There are several available. Add an additional layer of
> > licensing and support. Nor is mySQL free for commercial use.
>
> > IMHO -- Mark D Powell --
>
> If you are a flickr or a google or a wannabe, your mission critical
> system may not require ACID. It's possible these kinds of companies
> don't always properly analyze when ACID _is_ required - mission
> critical (ie, serve users info) does not always mean run-the-business
> (get someones money). I know I've seen things go wrong where money
> transactions are involved. No excuse for that. Using a technology
> because you have the expertise in it is stupid if it is the wrong
> technology.
>
> mysql a competitor to Oracle? Technically, no, but business analysis
> doesn't put all that much, er, stock in the technical issues.
>
> jg
> --
> _at_home.com is bogus.http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10-911call-fatal...
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <72dc7cfe-be56-412c-a40a-f60f44b712db_at_o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 11, 10:18 am, joel garry <joel-ga..._at_home.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 6:37 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Pow..._at_eds.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 7:52 am, Serge Rielau <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > > Captain Pedantic wrote:
>
> > > > "Serge Rielau" <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:7guq1bF2r6kklU1_at_mid.individual.net...
> > > >> DBA wrote:
> > > >>>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147052120632.htm
> > > >> There are those who bicker and those who act.
> > > >> So many new friends these days. :-)
> > > >>http://www.channeldb2.com/video/enabling-applications-from
>
> > > > DB2 supports Oracle SQL PL/SQL out of the box?
> > > > Really?
> > > > DB2 the mainframe database ...?
>
> > > DB2 9.7 for LUW, yes, not all of it, but enough to do "exception based"
> > > tweaks rather than redesign.
> > > In the coming fixpack we'll even do BULK COLLECT and FORRALL.
> > > There is a developerworks article written by myself outlining what's
> > > supported:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0907ora...
>
> > > Cheers
> > > Serge
> > > --
> > > Serge Rielau
> > > SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
> > > IBM Toronto Lab
>
> > From past experience IBM has made changes where we had to pay license
> > charges to keep using features that were bundled in some of our
> > existing IBM products prior to upgrades on our mainframe so IBM is no
> > angel. Nor is DB2 cheap. DB2 is available to run on Linux and I
> > believe on some other platforms as well.
>
> > As far as the claim in the article that mySQL is a competitor to
> > Oracle (or DB2 or SQL Server for that matter) it just really is not
> > true. Mission Criticial systems do not run on mySQL. If you need
> > ACID compliant systems you have to obtain a database engine to run
> > under mySQL. There are several available. Add an additional layer of
> > licensing and support. Nor is mySQL free for commercial use.
>
> > IMHO -- Mark D Powell --
>
> If you are a flickr or a google or a wannabe, your mission critical
> system may not require ACID. It's possible these kinds of companies
> don't always properly analyze when ACID _is_ required - mission
> critical (ie, serve users info) does not always mean run-the-business
> (get someones money). I know I've seen things go wrong where money
> transactions are involved. No excuse for that. Using a technology
> because you have the expertise in it is stupid if it is the wrong
> technology.
>
> mysql a competitor to Oracle? Technically, no, but business analysis
> doesn't put all that much, er, stock in the technical issues.
>
> jg
> --
> _at_home.com is bogus.http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10-911call-fatal...
A germane and provocative article in re: ACID transactions and other RDBMS "must haves." Note the employer of the lead author....
http://www.sigmod.org/sigmod/record/issues/0903/p43.articles.florescu.pdf
--Jeff Received on Fri Sep 11 2009 - 13:42:08 CDT