Re: continuation...

">>>>>> If there are business needs, nothing can really stop a company from


>>>>>> upgrading. Technologies are there to support businesses. Some may 

>>>>>> think the other way around. Not just CTOs, many people would be 

>>>>>> risking theirs jobs, if they don't carefully consider the business 

>>>>>> impacts.

>>>>> I often, due to what I do, find myself talking with IT management at a

>>>>> sufficiently high level to know what they are doing. The driving need

>>>>> is compliance and CTOs and CFOs are very aware of what can put them 

>>>>> into

>>>>> legal jeopardy.

>>>> What are they saying? They upgrade because they are afraid of legal 

>>>> issues?

>
> Your comment is dripping with sarcasm. If you have some other moral
> compass you think DBAs should follow why don't you tell us about it.
> My sense of morality still requires me to do more than just what I
> can get away with.
>

This is no sarcasm, if everything you say here is true. It has none to do with morality, unless you think not upgrading to the lastest Oracle as being immoral.

>>>> From my experience, high level IT managers have the least idea what
>>>> versions of Oracle they are running.
>>> Because, for the most part, the people they pay to run things for them
>>> keep them in the dark.
>>>
>>> Get me started on this and you will get a rant about fiduciary duty.
>>
>> I think it is more like they are not interested. Fiduciary duty does not
>> mean upgrade Oracle immediately. The upper management would know much
>> more about this and legal issues than if the company is running 10g.

>
> Not to criticize grammar here but "What?"
>
> It is your responsibility as an IT professional to inform management
> when you believe they are not following best practice and the law. To do
> otherwise is irresponsible by any ethical standard. Though I am fully
> aware that it is the S.O.P. in 2007.
>

You are going off to a different topic again. Does the best practice or the law say anything about not on the lastest version?

>>>> So how many databases does Boeing have and what applications are they
>>>> running?
>>> You've really got to be kidding asking that question and especially
>>> asking that question here. Perhaps you've not heard of the skunk works.
>>> <g>
>>
>> If you can't answer these questions, it is pretty much pointless.

>
> Can't or won't. In this case won't.
>
> Your question is roughly equivalent to "tell me confidential and
> proprietary information entrusted to you by one of your customers."
>
> But certainly not out of line with someone dismissive of obeying the law. 
> Sorry Bob but I really have little respect for people willing to
> say "I know what the law is and I'm going to ignore it because it isn't
> important to me personally."
>

It doesn't matter it is can't or won't. There is no data to support your argument.

Wow, many people must have broken "the law".

>>> I'm not laughing and neither are a lot of C-Level managers I know.
>>> I expect a lot of people with what appears to be your attitude will
>>> become "former" DBAs within the next 7 to 10 years and it won't be
>>> due to age.
>>
>> Some of them may be losing sleep because they are not on 10g. LOL.

>
> Please display this very same respect for the law the next time you are
> pulled over for speeding: And post the videotape from the trial on 
> YouTube.

Don't worry. Even I drive an older car, that doesn't mean I will speed. Received on Fri Jul 20 2007 - 19:36:11 CDT