Re: Musings on 'new' OFA standard

From: EscVector <Junk_at_webthere.com>
Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:27:17 -0800
Message-ID: <1166588837.476877.17150@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 19, 12:51 pm, DA Morgan <damor..._at_psoug.org> wrote:
> EscVector wrote:
> > DA Morgan wrote:
> >> sybrandb wrote:
> >>> DA Morgan wrote:
> >>>> Valentin Minzatu wrote:
> >>>>> Not sure if this helps, but I think I saw OracleHomes in the past being
> >>>>> created by the Grid Control installer and as far as I remember there
> >>>>> was no way to override that.
> >>>> Not sure if it can be overridden (just because I haven't tried) but
> >>>> it is definitely an artifact of the Grid Control.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Daniel A. Morgan
> >>>> University of Washington
> >>>> damor..._at_x.washington.edu
> >>>> (replace x with u to respond)
> >>>> Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
> >>>>www.psoug.org
> >>> Oracle 10g Grid Control seems to be build on top of iAS. In iAS all
> >>> layers have their own homes, ie OHS, Infrastructure, and database.

>


> >>> This applies to Grid Control too.

> >>> As Oracle has teamed up with hardware vendors, you can't change that.

> >>> Or is the real reason the various layers have been developed by

> >>> different teams, and no proper quality assurance is in order.

> >> Definitely developed by different teams. And seemingly rarely do they
> >> talk with each other. Here's one of my favorites:

>

> >> SQL> select distinct package_name from all_Arguments
> >> 2 where object_name = 'SLEEP';

>


> >> PACKAGE_NAME

> >> ------------------------------

> >> DBMS_BACKUP_RESTORE

> >> DBMS_DRS
> >> DBMS_LOCK

>

> >> And yes they all seem to do exactly the same thing with
> >> exactly the same syntax.

>


> >> BEGIN

> >>    dbms_backup_restore(3);

> >>    dbms_drs.sleep(3);

> >>    dbms_lock.sleep(3);

> >> END;
> >> /

>


> >> see you in 9 seconds. <g>

> >> --

> >> Daniel A. Morgan

> >> University of Washington

> >> damor..._at_x.washington.edu

> >> (replace x with u to respond)

> >> Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
> >>www.psoug.org

>


> > I think this new "architecture" is Oracle shifting the cost to the dba.

> >  Rather than make everything look nice, they simply install multiple

> > homes with multiple java engines and binaries, thus containing any one

> > feature to that home.  This way they don't have to make everything work

> > together, they simply have too make everything connect together. It is
> > not fun to look at, but maybe it is better.

>

> > I don't like that grid installs on 10.1 by default even though it lists
> > as 10.2. I have an uneasy feeling with this.I caught that too and made it part of the Grid Control class we teach
> here at PSOUG. It would seem the person developing the text for OUI
> wasn't in on what actually was tested and shipped.

>

> On one hand I can agree with your criticism of Oracle ... but on the
> other ... thinking of the mess made by Microsoft with DLLs ... I'm more
> than willing to sacrifice a little disk to make sure things work as
> they were developed and tested.
> --
> Daniel A. Morgan
> University of Washington
> damor..._at_x.washington.edu
> (replace x with u to respond)
> Puget Sound Oracle Users Groupwww.psoug.org

I didn't think of it as criticism, more like pragmatic reality... :) While a little confusing at first, I agree with the sacrifice. Maybe Oracle is going all "Agile" on us. Received on Tue Dec 19 2006 - 22:27:17 CST