Re: tough choices

From: Daniel Morgan <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:26:41 -0700
Message-ID: <1087885625.661141@yasure>

Mark Townsend wrote:
> datab0y_at_yahoo.com wrote:
>

>>
>> For example, in the system that Daniel Morgan mentioned would cost
>> around $80k/ CPU with oracle.  That would include
>>      enterprise edition    $40k
>>    + partitioning          $10k
>>    + RAC                   $20k
>>    + advanced security     $10k
>>                           -------
>>                            $80k / CPU
>>
>> I mentioned before that DB2 workgroup server would do that job at
>> about $7.5k/CPU, or about 10% of the oracle cost. 

>
>
> <snip>
>
> A couple of things should be pointed out with this comparison
>
> 1) You are comparing IBM's workgroup server unlimited edition ( IBM DB2
> WUSE, limited to 4 CPUs and 32 bits, targeted at small web serving
> environments) with Oracle's Enterprise Edition. A better
> apples-to-apples comparison would be IBM's workgroup server unlimited
> edition pricing, with Oracle's Standard Edition One (limited to 2 CPUs)
> or Standard Edition (limited to 4 CPUs, inlcuding RAC support for up to
> 4 CPUs in a cluster).
>
> Comparative based prices are then
>
> Oracle SE1 4995 per CPU
> IBM DB2 WUSE 7500 per CPU
> Oracle SE 15000 per CPU (includes RAC)
>
> 2) IBM has no equivalent to Oracle's Partitioning or RAC option, so I'm
> not sure why you would even try to include them in a comparison. They
> also require an additional Tivoli product to provide the same capability
> that Advanced Security option provides.

Not that dread mention of Tivoli to provide equivalent security. Every time I bring that up the blue suits go into attack mode. I also note that in the comparisons not once was the DPF price or the required add-on for HA included even though just one or two posts earlier everyone agreed that they were essential.

>> So back to my original question - any one have tips on using
>> competitive pricing to drive oracle down to more competitive pricing?

>
>
> 1) Get your figures straight 2) Negotiate

Anyone that doesn't negotiate prices on enterprise software is someone that would buy a car off the dealer's lot of the price listed in the newspaper. And probably shouldn't be allowed to have a DBA account.

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