Re: Expanded Oracle DBA Site

From: Bob Badour <bbadour_at_golden.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:56:10 -0400
Message-ID: <xkska.103$pE6.12396661@mantis.golden.net>

"Joel Garry" <joel-garry_at_home.com> wrote in message news:91884734.0304071407.40d1be83_at_posting.google.com... > "Bob Badour" <bbadour_at_golden.net> wrote in message news:<gt8ka.63$B44.5974121_at_mantis.golden.net>...
> > "Gabriel Gonzalez" <no-spam_at_no-spam.com> wrote in message
> > news:HWCdnZLI_Mzsew2jXTWcrg_at_giganews.com...
> > > > And you have the unmitigated gall to call the author you stole from
> > > > unprofessional? You are a disgrace and clearly a rank amateur. Have
you
> > no
> > > > shame?
> > >
> > > Stop the trash talk, these newsgroups don't need anymore of this trash
> > >
> > > Hopefully everyone reading your comment will recongnize it for what it
is:
> > > Yet another shoot-from-the-hip personl assault that was uncalled for
(if
> > you
> > > want it to be called for, then prove your allegations true before you
make
> > > them).

> >

> > Gabriel,

> >
> > The addressee took what did not belong to him, made no effort to
determine
> > proper ownership of what did not belong to him and used what did not
belong
> > to him for his own intended commercial gain. That's theft. None of those
> > facts are in question nor were any of them in question when I made the
> > allegation--the addressee publicly admitted to those facts.

>
> I missed the part about intended commercial gain.  Where did that come
> from?

Do you think Mr. Hunter expects the time and effort he puts into his site will return nothing on his investment?

> I certainly didn't have to pay anything for it.

He gives away stolen property for free in order to buy goodwill from you. Goodwill has economic value. What part of the commercial gain involved did you not understand?

> And while an
> explicit part of IP is the ability to withhold publication, I'm not
> sure that stealing that ability is on the same level as grabbing and
> running off with some jewelry.

It can be much worse. How many millions of dollars worth of Microsoft IP (or is it billions) is stolen every year?

> > The addressee publicly libelled the author and copyright holder calling
him
> > "unprofessional" for exercising his own right to his own intellectual
> > property. Neither are any of those facts in question nor were any of
them in
> > question when I made the allegation--they were written in the
addressee's
> > public post to which I replied. Stealing from someone and then libelling
the
> > victim in retribution for getting caught is disgraceful. Does anyone
> > disagree?

> >

> > The addressee called the victim of his theft "unprofessional" without
> > stating his reasoning but apparently for the public way in which the
victim
> > exercised his property rights. By the addressee's apparent standard,
> > choosing a needlessly public forum for addressing conflict is
> > "unprofessional." (One wonders whether the same standard applies to
robbery
> > victims shouting "Stop thief!" on a crowded street.) Thus the
addressee's
> > own choice of a public forum to denigrate his victim rates the addressee
> > "unprofessional" by his own standard--exceptionally so, in fact, given
he
> > had wronged his victim once already.

>
> The ironic thing is, I never would have noticed it had Mr. Rogers not
> publicly pointed it out.
>
> I know!  Let's all have pointers... "links" to published material!  It
> could go anywhere!  We could have a.. a World Wide Web!  Yeah,
> wouldn't that be cool!  But, sadly, where is the profit in not
> withholding information?  Never mind.

Since Mr. Hunter pointed out that he found the document on multiple sites, he could have done exactly that to avoid violating Mr. Rogers' copyright. Of course, that doesn't seem as much like giving away something for free so it might buy less goodwill. Received on Mon Apr 07 2003 - 22:56:10 CDT