Re: Pure Storage opinions
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:27:37 -0600
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I have a feeling, Mladen, that you're as concerned about Delphix marketing like Trump is concerned about his little hands.
I work for Oracle and I still can have a non-competitive, but honest
discussion about products.
Kellyn
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On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> This is not a fight, I am just objecting to the pure and unadulterated
> Dephix marketing on this list. This comes and goes in waves. As far as the
> difference between Commvault and Delphix goes, both products do database
> cloning, both by using storage snapshot technology. Commvault doesn't do
> any masking of the data, but as far as cloning goes, the two products do
> overlap. And with the modern technology, lines between "backups" and
> "clones" have been more than blurred.
> Reading this group, my impression was that Delphix is web-scale, just
> like in the famous YT clip "mongodb is web scake". I usually do not
> engage in marketing on this list, this "fight" is just a reaction to a bit
> too much of a marketing on this group.
> Regards
>
>
> On 4/23/2016 12:13 PM, Andrew Kerber wrote:
>
> I don't have a dog in this fight, but frankly Commvault and Delphix are
> two different solutions to two different problems. I know of several places
> that use both. Commvault is a backup solution, Delphix is a cloning and
> masking solution.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 23, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Tim Gorman < <tim_at_evdbt.com>tim_at_evdbt.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not sure why Delphix got dragged into this thread, but I'll be your
> huckleberry...
>
> Commvault is indeed a big old company and Delphix only started in 2008,
> but it's questionable where the advantage lies.
>
> New companies are created either because bigger older companies have left
> a sizable gap or because technology evolves and does things better,
> leapfrogging older technology. So, while bigger older companies improve
> incrementally, new companies either exploit the gap, or leapfrog with the
> new technology, or both. If it works, the older companies fade. If it
> doesn't, the newer companies die.
>
> So I guess we'll see how it plays out.
>
> Either way, it's not going to be decided on this email list. So peace,
> and have a nice weekend.
>
>
>
> On 4/23/16 00:11, Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
> Well, this list has turned into a Sears, Roebuck & Delphix catalog. I
> wanted to add Commvault to the mix, for several reasons:
>
> 1. Commvault is an order of magnitude larger than Delphix, measuring
> both by revenue and the number of customers. We have many more customers
> and are much better known. Reading this list, one would be tempted to
> conclude exactly the opposite.
> 2. Commvault is an Oracle platinum partner. So is Delphix.
> 3. Commvault is much older company than Delphix, with the history
> reaching to the good, old Ma Bell and USL.
> 4. Delphix is not a full-fledged backup suite which you can use to
> archive your mailboxes in Exchange or Domino. Delphix is a database
> specialist. In addition to Delphix, a traditional backup suite is also
> needed.
>
> So, by following this group, one could conclude that Delphix is the
> dominant juggernaut and Commvault a tiny upstart fighting for its place
> under the sun. That perception is very wrong and I did my best to rectify
> it. And yes, I am a Commvault employee. No big secrets there.
>
> On 4/23/2016 12:29 AM, David Green wrote:
>
> I see what you did there. Tsk tak
>
> Thanks
> David
>
> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Mladen Gogala < <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
> gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the original poster asked about the Pure storage,
> not HDS, XtremIO,3Par or NetApp. Am I in the wrong mailing list? This looks
> like the storage salespeople convention. Are there any snacks and T-Shirts?
> Having said that, I have nothing against Hitachi, Dell, HP or NetApp. As a
> consultant for a backup vendor, I encountered all of them. While I was a
> DBA, I was annoying the heck of storage sales people by requesting demos
> using the local application mix and asking questions about IOPS. My guess
> is that the original poster will have to do the same. Whatever he decides,
> Commvault can back it up and can integrate with the storage snapshots.
>
>
> On 04/21/2016 03:46 AM, Ls Cheng wrote:
>
> I have a customer who uses HDS VSP G1000, All-Flash and the latency is
> great, average 0.2ms for log parallel writes and 0.3ms for log file sync,
> 0.6ms for db sequential/scattered read. The databases is a 4 nodes RAC,
> 14000 IOPS where average 9000 is redo log writes.
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Thump CC < <thump_at_cosmiccooler.org>
> thump_at_cosmiccooler.org> wrote:
>
>> Along with the new kid on the block(D5) it’s also worth looking at
>> ExtremIO and 3PAR
>>
>> > On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 04/20/2016 03:27 PM, Jeff Chirco wrote:
>> >> Anyone use or used Pure Storage for your database storage? We
>> currently have NetApp and it is coming on a hardware refresh so we are
>> looking around. We've looked at the ZFS which seems really nice, a little
>> more expensive than we though but great for Oracle database. Now my system
>> admins are looking at Pure Storage as a possibility as well. From what I
>> read it seems like a all flash system and apparently hardware freshes are
>> built into the support contract. Let me know if you have any onions.
>> >> Currently we are running Oracle on Windows Server 2008r2 with 11.2.0.4
>> but moving all over to Oracle Linux and eventually 12c.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Jeff
>> >
>> > Hi Jeff!
>> > I don't have any onions, but I can offer some scallions. As a
>> consultant working for a backup vendor, I have encountered Pure several
>> times and all the customers that I know of are very happy. Pure is very
>> fast and very reliable. Administration interface is fairly intuitive and it
>> supports everything that other storage support.
>> > Regards
>> >
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