SV: Extended RAC on SE
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:29:55 +0000
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If the software is capped at 16 threads, then 2 instances will be able to use 32 threads? Or is it a license cap, so that hardware cannot contain more than 16 cores? Knowing that vague language sometimes have harsh meanings, I’m not sure which.
/Niels
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Emne: Re: Extended RAC on SE
Oracle has updated their licence doc with SE2 details
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/databaselicensing-070584.pdf
Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 may only be licensed on servers that have a maximum capacity of 2 sockets. When used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 may only be licensed on a maximum of 2 one-socket servers. In addition, notwithstanding any provision in Your Oracle license agreement to the contrary, each Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 database may use a maximum of 16 CPU threads at any time. When used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, each Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 database may use a maximum of 8 CPU threads per instance at any time. The minimums when licensing by Named User Plus (NUP) metric are 10 NUP licenses per server.
This is a pretty big change :
- a change to a maximum of 2 sockets, this will be a problem for anyone on a 4 socket server, even if only 2 are populated.
- standard edition RAC now requires 1 socket servers, and as Mark pointed out these are very hard to find as data centre rack servers, you won't get them from the big vendors, HP etc, its only supermicro I know of who supply them.
- Capped at 16 threads, but 16 threads on physical cores is actually quite a lot of capacity, eg Intel E5-2667 v3 (3.2 GHz, Max Turbo 3.6 GHz, 8 core), considering you can't use multiple RMAN threads etc
Andrea,
I have not seen a list of chips that qualify for what license,
Has anyone else?
Tom
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Andrea Monti <ilsuonogiallo_at_gmail.com<mailto:ilsuonogiallo_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi ,
in the past I was told by Oracle people that "multi-chip modules" only refers to some unix-class processors (some IBM Power and SPARC processors).
Do you have any other clues about that?
Did anyone find some evidence to say that *any* x86 processor will not be considered a multi-chip module?
Regards
Andrea
2015-09-02 2:45 GMT+02:00 Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com<mailto:mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com>>: Yeah. And that "multi-chip module" language is a serious issue too. Is your CPU a multichip module? How do you know? Its surprisingly hard to find out, even if you *do* know the exact model of CPU.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk<mailto:tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk>> wrote: I agree Mark,
Finding single-socket servers is indeed tricky!
We have bought many servers from broadberry in the UK, they allow us to have SSD's, lsi controllers and 4hr hardware support, at a reasonable cost, they do some single socket servers
eg
http://www.broadberry.co.uk/superservers-supermicro-servers/as-1012a-m73rf
Full spec :
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/1018/sys-1018gr-t.cfm
I just configured one
E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core Xeon 2.3GHz 45Mb Cache 145 Watts 6x 800GB Intel SSD S3500 DataCentre SERIES 2.5IN SATA3 MLC LSI MegaRAID 9380-4i4e 12Gb/s SAS/SATA RAID Controller, 1Gb DDR4 Cache, with Internal & External Ports 10GbE Dual-Port SFP+ (Direct Attached) Server Adapter - Intel E10G42BTDA 1st Year 24/7 Support - Up to 4 hours after submission of ticket, up to 5 incidents per year
£9,618.81 Ex. VAT
The E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core is a single chip processor, so my understanding has always been it only needs one license, but I am no licensing expert!
From http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf
When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One or Standard Edition in the product name, a processor is counted equivalent to an occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket.
But as Alfredo and Svetoslav have said a change in licensing might make this a pointless exercise.
Oh well!
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com<mailto:mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com>> wrote: This is true. However, finding single-socket servers can be something of a challenge. The example cited seems to work -- unless that 18-core processor is implemented as a multi-chip-module ;-) -- but the majority of servers these days are equipped with at least two sockets. You'll also need to make certain your single socket server has enough network interfaces. I don't know whether Oracle ever removed the language about multi-chip modules from the OLSA. If they haven't though, it (still) makes license management with SE very tricky.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk<mailto:tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk>> wrote: As I read it you can 4 nodes,
Oracle Database Standard Edition can only be licensed on servers that have a maximum capacity of 4 sockets. If licensing by Named User Plus, the minimum is 5 Named User Plus licenses. Oracle Database Standard Edition, when used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, may only be licensed on a single cluster of servers supporting up to a total maximum capacity of 4 sockets.
NOTE: This means that the server capacity must meet the restriction even if the sockets are empty, since they count towards capacity.
So if you have 4 single socket servers
eg you could have a single 18 core intel 2600 v3 with 512gb of ram in -
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/1018/SYS-1018R-WC0R.cfm
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Fernando Andrade <correo_at_fjandrade.com<mailto:correo_at_fjandrade.com>> wrote:
Thanks _at_Joe
The answer was in the referenced doc. 220970.1
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser_at_icat.com<mailto:JSweetser_at_icat.com>> wrote: Check out Doc ID 220970.1 on MOS/metalink (old school ☺ ).
Short answer is yes but there are a few restrictions.
Hth,
-joe
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Subject: Extended RAC on SE
Hi I recieved an extrange request for a client. He wants a extended RAC on SE, I have found this reference googling: http://isu.ifmo.ru/docs/doc111/license.111/b28287/editions.htm "Extended or stretch clusters are not supported with Standard Edition and Oracle RAC. An Extended or stretch cluster is defined as "A cluster where all nodes are not located in the same room"
I havent found this paragraph in the documentation provided by Oracle nor in 11.1, 11.2 or 12.1.
Any one with more information? Thanks
FJA
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