Re: How do you think about Oracle's EC2/S3?

From: Leyi Zhang <kamusis_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:47:59 +0800
Message-ID: <CAPtFprqcCTCN_7v2EbcYpPGnicAjPNiWR2CgSN375AAV8LFEVw_at_mail.gmail.com>

When I review my emails, I found this one, 3 years ago. And now, dreams come true, Oracle named the service exactly what I'm imagined - DBaaS. :-D Is there anyone here already got the experience to move the database to Oracle DBaaS public cloud platform?
We are trying to do the test in China, but the network latency would be my biggest concern.

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On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Kamus <kamusis_at_gmail.com> wrote:



> Hi Tim

>

> Maybe I made you confused, due to the word EC2 I was used in my first

> post, or my poor English.

>

> I just borrow the word 'EC2' from amazon, what I am expecting is Oracle

> can deliver a service just like EC2, selling the database/app by Service

> instead of by license

>

> --

> Kamus <kamusis_at_gmail.com>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 2011-5-7, at 16:57, Tim Hall <tim_at_oracle-base.com> wrote:

>

> > Hi.

> >

> > Regarding the licensing issue, I really don't understand what you are

> > asking. You currently only have one option. That is to use your

> > existing real Oracle licenses. Even then you have potential for

> > trouble because Oracle Licensing does not recognize software

> > virtualization as reducing the CPU licensing unless it is done on

> > Oracle VM (which "Amazon RDS running Oracle" will be). When the

> > "Amazon RDS running Oracle" service goes live you will have a second

> > option, which is pay-per-hour licensing.

> >

> > With the "Amazon RDS running Oracle" you can have a 1CPU VM box, then

> > upgrade to a 8CPU VM and you will be licensed properly, because the

> > cost of the license is incorporated into the hourly VM fee. The same

> > way the cost of Windows licensing is built into the cost of a Windows

> > VM on Amazon.

> >

> > If you are firing up empty VMs and installing software on manually, be

> > it Windows, Oracle or Microsoft Office, you are breaking their license

> > agreements and therefore breaking the law. It is up to the individual

> > company to decide how they want to license their product. Oracle could

> > choose to say no to any virtualization if they wanted. It would be

> > stupid, but it is their choice. You would not expect to be able to run

> > software without licensing on a dedicated server from a regular

> > hosting provider, so why do you think it is OK when using EC2?

> >

> > If I have misunderstood your licensing issue feel free to ignore my

> reply. :)

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Tim...

> >

> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Leyi Zhang (Kamus) <kamusis_at_gmail.com>

> wrote:

> >> Hi Tim

> >>

> >> I'm serious. I'm just curious why we have to pay for the software

> >> licenses if provider can earn the same money from their service as the

> >> old license mode. Think about salesforce.com, do we pay for the

> >> database license we are used separately?

> >>

> >> The Oracle/Amazon combined service you have mentioned is still the

> >> same old fashion for Oracle - selling license, not selling service.

> >>

> >> If I am the CTO, if there's such a service I can choose, I will be

> >> very interesting:

> >> 1. I can pay for only 1 CPU and 2GB Mem from 18:00 - 8:00 every day

> >> and pay for extra 20 CPU and 80G mem from 8:00 - 18:00 or vise visa.

> >> 2. I don't need to consider how to construct a data center with office

> >> space, power, cooling, bandwidth, networks, servers, and storage, etc

> >> 3. When the new version CPU and harddisk/SSD and memory chip released,

> >> I don't need to worry about the cost for upgrade the hardware and

> >> migrate the database from the old machine to the new machine, since

> >> cloud provider will do it for me with no cost or with a little cost

> >> and even with a zero down time.

> >> 4. I don't need to worry about how to deliver the service in the other

> >> city when we expand our business, since the database in cloud can be

> >> easily access from the other city.

> >>

> >> There still a lot of things we can dream about, I'm not kidding, I

> >> really feel very interested in it although I know there's a long way

> >> to go.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Kamus <kamusis_at_gmail.com>

> >>

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> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Tim Hall <tim_at_oracle-base.com> wrote:

> >>> You are joking right? Of course you have to pay for software licenses.

> >>>

> >>> If you wait for the new combined Oracle/Amazon offering you can pay a

> >>> per-hour charge that includes both the Amazon EC2 cost and the Oracle

> >>> licensing costs.

> >>>

> >>> http://aws.amazon.com/rds/oracle/

> >>>

> >>> This means you will be able to pay-as-you-use with Oracle for the

> >>> first time, but I expect it will still work in favor of Oracle as far

> >>> as costs are concerned if you were to run an instance for a whole

> >>> year.

> >>>

> >>> With all Amazon EC2 stuff you are responsible for being licensed

> >>> properly. You can either use your own licenses, or pay the price that

> >>> incorporates the license cost. either way you are not getting OS or

> >>> database software for free. If you are not licensed properly you are

> >>> breaking the law just like any other situation.

> >>>

> >>> Cheers

> >>>

> >>> Tim...

> >>>

> >>> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Leyi Zhang (Kamus) <kamusis_at_gmail.com>

> wrote:

> >>>> Hi lists

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm personally using Amazon EC2/S3 for testing, and I know Dropbox is

> >>>> totally depend on Amazon S3, and Quora also use EC2 and S3 heavily.

> >>>>

> >>>> So what do you guys think if Oracle can release a product/service

> >>>> based on their Elastic Cloud Platform (for example Exalogic+Exadata) ?

> >>>> If using this service, we customer will not need to pay for software

> >>>> license anymore, just like how we using Amazon EC2/S3, we only need to

> >>>> pay for the CPU/Mem/Storage we actually used.

> >>>> Do you guys think this is an win-win idea for the Entry level/Midrange

> >>>> enterprise customer and Oracle?

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> Kamus <kamusis_at_gmail.com>

> >>>>

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