Re: Practice of using chopt to disable database options

Somewhat fortunately I no longer have any great involvement in licensing discussions, however the disjunct that Norman and Peter refer is not helped by referring to the licensing guide. The licensing discussions in the doc have, as far as I can recall, always made the comment about ensuring that you are correctly licensed for what you *use* though it isn't always clear what *use* means.

However what LMS tend to refer to and is the binding legal terms, which used to be called the Oracle Licensing and Services Agreement (OLSA) and is now called the Oracle Master Agreement
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contracts/oma/index.html . This document used to be periodically updated on the main Oracle website but it appears that the official version for those not examining their own contracts is the "Software Investment Guide"
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf That is quite clear that Oracle software should be licensed for systems where the software is "installed and/or running". This term is what LMS refer to rather than usage metrics if they possibly can, not least because usage metrics are somewhat problematic.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Kevin Jernigan <kevin.jernigan_at_oracle.com>wrote:

> You should review the standard licensing document which is available for
> each release; the 12cR1 version is here<http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E16655_01/license.121/e17614/toc.htm>,
> the 11gR2 version is here<http://www.oracle.com/pls/db112/to_toc?pathname=license.112/e47877/toc.htm>,
> and the 11gR1 version is here<http://www.oracle.com/pls/db111/to_toc?pathname=license.111/b28287/toc.htm>
> .
>
> I don't know if there is a single official document that states how we
> charge for database options, but maybe the below phrase in the 11gR1
> licensing guide at the beginning of chapter 2 is relevant; however, I am
> not a lawyer, nor am I familiar with the standard licensing agreement a
> customer agrees to when licensing Oracle Database software, and I'm sure
> there is language in that agreement that is relevant to the question at
> hand:
>
> You may not use the options, packs, or products described below without
> separately purchased licenses. The fact that these options, packs, or
> products may be included in product CDs or downloads or described in
> documentation that you receive does not authorize you to use them without
> purchasing appropriate licenses.
>
>
> -KJ
>
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> On 11/15/13, 3:31 PM, Peter Gram Miracle A/S wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin
>
> Very interesting statement : could you please point me to a official
> Oracle document where this is change of practice is documented, I do
> license checks and therefore deal with Oracle License Management (LMS) and
> they are still showing interest in installed and used options.
>
> /Gram
>
>
> Best Regards / Venlig Hilsen
>
> Peter Gram
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> On 15 November 2013 10:48, Kevin Jernigan <kevin.jernigan_at_oracle.com>wrote:
>
>> My apologies, I was answering based on the current (12c) state of
>> affairs. It was probably different before 11g - but from 11g onwards, for
>> the most part we don't support you not installing the database options, and
>> you are NOT charged based on what you install, since you don't officially
>> have the choice of not installing options...KJ
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Jernigan
>> Senior Director Product Management
>> Advanced Compression, Hybrid Columnar
>> Compression (HCC), Database File System
>> (DBFS), SecureFiles, Database Smart Flash
>> Cache, Total Recall, Database Resource
>> Manager (DBRM), Direct NFS Client (dNFS),
>> Continuous Query Notification (CQN),
>> Index Organized Tables (IOT), Information
>> Lifecycle Management (ILM)
>> (650) 607-0392 (o)
>> (415) 710-8828 (m)
>>
>> On 11/15/13, 1:19 PM, oracle_at_dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Morning Kevin,
>>>
>>> I've been audited. I've been shown the actual docs that says you must
>>> license what you install. I've had to pay.
>>>
>>> With all due respect, I do know what I'm typing about.
>>>
>>> Things might be different at 11g/12c but I was "done" for versions up to
>>> and including 10g.
>>>
>>> Those are facts, not one of a set of inconsistent docs.
>>>
>>> It cost us, lots!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>
>>>
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>>
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