Re: ASM of any significant value when switching to Direct NFS / NetApp / non-RAC?

From: Dana Nibby <dananrg_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1344517633.5921.YahooMailNeo_at_web113513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Anything that reduces politics typically increases efficiency and effectiveness. Politics, while I suppose they are necessary--it's the way some people Get Things Done (and so can't be completely avoided)--seem to me largely to be a drain on brainpower and lead to inefficient deployment of staff resources. The goal should always be to increase efficiency and customer satisfaction. And not to Build Personal "Empires" and engage in other hoarding/face-saving activities. I don't believe IT is a zero sum game. It is, or ought to be, a Team Sport (and I am no fan of sports; but it's a helpful analogy).  
If "no ASM" is the right way to go for the best interests of the customer, I'm 100% on-board withat that. I'm of the perhaps naive opinion that, in environments where there are many levels of separation of duty, that we all work on the same team. There is, or should not be, an "Us versus Them" mentality. The correct question to ask is nearly always this: what constellation of technologies is best for downstream customer productivity. And "if that's wrong, I don't wanna be right." :-)  
Best,
 
Dana

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From: Nuno Souto <dbvision_at_iinet.net.au> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: ASM of any significant value when switching to Direct NFS / NetApp / non-RAC?

Connor McDonald wrote,on my timestamp of 9/08/2012 5:49 PM:
> For what its worth, we're a NetApp shop on DNFS, and have never had any
> justification to use ASM...
> Unless there are political games between storage and database admins, why
> bother ?

Aye, too true.  EMC Symmetrix/SRDF here, never felt the need for ASM. Besides: I doubt ASM can handle DB2/MSSQL/Outlook/Wintel/VMware environments as well. EMC can. In the same SAN.
Did that last simple fact stop Oracle sales/"experts" from spending the last 5 years telling my management I'm a "bad dba" because I don't need to use ASM? Nope...

> DNFS gives great performance, file management becomes a doddle (adding
> nodes is pretty much plug-any-play), and there's myriad of NetApp goodies
> should wish to take advantage of them...

It also likely supports a little more than just Oracle databases?

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Nuno Souto
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dbvision_at_iinet.net.au
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