Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if so inclined)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:34:20 +0100
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online, what is this online stuff, cloistered away in upstairs musty rooms with fellow nerds and odd shaped dice, ahem...
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Fitzjarrell <oratune_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
> I guess I should be embarassed to say that I didn't but I have never been
> 'into' online gaming.
>
> Does that take away my coveted 'Nerd' status?
>
> David Fitzjarrell
>
>
> *From:* "Lange, Kevin G" <kevin.lange_at_ppoone.com>
>
> *To:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:00 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)
>
> What ? Didn't everyone have their favorite Warrior-Mage weilding a sword
> with one hand while throwing fireballs with the other ?
>
> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Guillermo Alan Bort
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:51 PM
> *To:* Taylor, Chris David
> *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth_at_VerizonWireless.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)
>
> Thanks Chris, I didn't want to mention multiclassing and RPG but that is
> exactly what I had in mind when I wrote my reply... I honestly didn't expect
> there to be many who'd understand that reference here.
>
> cheers
> Alan.-
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Taylor, Chris David <
> ChrisDavid.Taylor_at_ingrambarge.com> wrote:
>
> This touches on where I was going with my thought processes.****
> ****
> It seems to me to be similar to the idea of multi-classing for those of us
> who used to play RPGs back in the day.****
> ****
> It seems to me (and perhaps I’m wrong) that an individual can achieve a
> higher level of expertise through a targeted/focused approach in a specific
> area or skill set. When a person tries to achieve the same level of
> expertise in 2 similar (but also very different) skill sets, the proficiency
> in both is _*behind*_ any individual who takes the targeted approach and
> will always remain behind.****
> ****
> -Chris****
> ****
> *From:* alanbort_at_gmail.com [mailto:alanbort_at_gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Guillermo
> Alan Bort
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM
> *To:* Taylor, Chris David
> *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth_at_VerizonWireless.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)****
> ****
> I've often found it difficult to find candidates who would be able to
> provide "operational excelence" in a single RDBMS (Oracle)... I'd hate to
> have to look for someone who has to be proficient in both.
>
> now, cynicism apart, I think that in order to be really good at what you do
> you have to dedicate a lot of time to it, and if you expect to have any kind
> of work-life balance then you simply don't have the time to master two
> RDBMS' to the same level.
>
> "Ah, but I already know Oracle, so I'll spend the next 5 years training in
> SQL" you say? Well, good luck with that... if you have the time to do full
> training on SQL then I envy you... and furthermore, 5 years of full time
> training on SQL means no upkeep training on Oracle, which means you'd be
> stuck with 9i/10g right now with all these nifty new 11gR2 features...
> perhaps this is what Oracle is talking about.
>
> Also, I think we need to consider the target audience and read a little
> more than the phrase itself, I think it's aimed at large companies with very
> large DBA groups (from 10 to several dozen dbas), so they are giving a
> statement that applies to *most* people. I have no doubt that there's
> someone out there that is an Oracle Guru and an expert in SQL Server and
> also dabbles in MySQL and PGSQL and keeps a Sybase in his usbkey... though I
> doubt very much they are very common and I'd wager they have more than a
> couple of decades of experience, which means hiring them may prove too
> expensive.
>
> just my 0.02 AR$. ;-)
>
> cheers
> Alan.-
>
> ****
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Taylor, Chris David <
> ChrisDavid.Taylor_at_ingrambarge.com> wrote:****
> Yikes! Yes, I think you need to eat J****
> ****
> I actually made the conscious decision to not define Operational Excellence
> because it is different for each organization. Operational excellence might
> be recognized by providing 5 9s of availability (99.999) because that is
> what is determined as the measuring stick for a particular organization. A
> different organization may strive for response time for 90% of queries to
> complete in under 10 ms. Obviously these are simplistic examples.****
> ****
> I think you have made the mistake of equating excellence with infallible or
> inerrant (or perhaps both). Perhaps to you that is what operational
> excellence *is. * To be inerrant and/or infallible.****
> ****
> I hope that helps.****
> ****
> --Chris****
> ****
> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Coll-Barth, Michael
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:13 PM****
>
> *To:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org****
> *Subject:* RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)****
> ****
> ****
> What utter nonsensical, management double speak; 'operational excellence'.
> ****
> ****
> But, I'll play.****
> ****
> ****
> ****
> Care to define the term? ****
> ****
> ****
> If I were to take the term at face value, I'd have to say that there are
> very few out there that could be considered excellent at anything. Some of
> us may be very good or even damn good, but excellent? No. Even someone
> like Tom Kyte has failings and he'd be the first to tell you that. Just
> check out his web site.****
> ****
> As written, the statement is false and inflammatory. ****
> ****
> Add the following line; 'But that individual could provide the operational
> proficiency that is quite a bit more than good enough', and the statement
> becomes true and reasonable.****
> ****
> ****
> And with that said, 'excellence' is something to be strived for by
> everyone, but is rarely, if ever, achieved by anyone.****
> ****
> ****
> ****
> I haven't eaten today, so perhaps I'm just not feeling excellent. Ted,
> Bill? You ready to head out? Your stepmom *is* cute, though.****
> ****
> ****
> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Taylor, Chris David
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:47 PM
> *To:* 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
> *Subject:* Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain
> if so inclined)****
> ****
> I just want to get an idea of where some of you fall on this statement…***
> *
> ****
> Truth Statement:****
> Due to the differences in Oracle and Microsoft database products, an
> individual person cannot provide operational excellence in both products
> with regard to the management of large enterprise data stores. ****
> ****
> (That is, to achieve operational excellence in regard to enterprise data
> management of large data stores managed by both Oracle and SQL Server, you
> need individuals who specialize in each technology).****
> ****
> --Chris****
> ****
>
>
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