RE: Is a RDBMS needed?
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:37:54 +0300
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>Richard Goulet
>Anyway, after some time creating Ada, the master engineer supposedly
retired from the Ada JSPO and went to work for Oracle.
then taxpayers money were not all wasted after all. Oracle generates quite a value, including exports.
As for ADA I can not resist the offtopic - from what I've seen it had what
modern languages start having only now. Plus ALGOL (it's ALGOL, right?)
kind of syntax for mere humans.
I personally come back to pl/sql easily after a prolonged periods of
departure. Not so with C or god forbid C++. I've spent tons of hours
developing with both but almost everything (I mean C pecularities which are
must to know) has evaporated.
ok, sorry for offtopic once again.
But well, moral of the story is: if properly approached even Java project
can bring something usefull. Really hard to argue it will fail (not so hard
to know it will fail - a good engineer feels that right a way) unless give
it a try and let it fail.
brgds, Laimis N
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From: "Goulet, Richard" <Richard.Goulet_at_parexel.com>
To: <Laimutis.Nedzinskas_at_seb.lt>, <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
Date: 2011.06.10 17:16
Subject: RE: Is a RDBMS needed?
Well, for those who never heard of Ada
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_%28programming_language%29)and it's
link to PL/SQL, the US DOD has/had an Ada Joint Systems Program
Office(JSPO) in the Pentagon back in the 80's. The idea was to create a
replacement for Cobol, Jovial, C-Atlas, Fortran, and a lot of other
computer languages that was costing them lots of dollars to maintain
each year. The usual capitalistic idea was to have DOD in conjunction
with universities, primarily MIT I believe, create a computer language
to handle all of this advanced processing and then incentivize as well
as punish contractors into using this new language there by replacing
all of the previously created and unmanageable stuff. Sounds like a
good idea, right? You add money to a procurement contract when the
contractor uses Ada and you penalize them when they don't by removing
money or making them prove they can't do what they need with the new
language. And to promote the reuse of existing modules you add more
bonuses. Problem, the compile sequence can overwrite modules in the
standard library thereby making it appear that you reused an existing
module. OOPS!!! Oracle also in conjunction with the Ada JSPO crated
what was known as PRO*Ada, which worked very well
(http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/A57673_01/DOC/api/doc/PAD18/ch11.htm
).
Anyway, after some time creating Ada, the master engineer supposedly retired from the Ada JSPO and went to work for Oracle. About a year later we were all introduced to PL/SQL. (,http://www.orafaq.com/wiki/Ada and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL)
Richard Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA/Na Team Leader
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>"Goulet, Richard" <Richard.Goulet_at_parexel.com>
anyone ever hear of Ada? Few billions of US tax payer dollars went down
that black hole to no good end and that was supported by one of the
largest institutions in the world, the US Pentagon. So much for who
supports it.
BTW: If you've ever heard of PL/SQL then you've heard of Ada, by another
name.
I beg pardon. Billions must have gone into a secret UFO laboratory. But judging from PL/SQL - ADA is a beauty. An attempt to depart from years old, obscure and unreadable C syntax. No offence intended - as far as I remember one of design reasons for {}-usage instead of readable BEGIN-END/END IF/END LOOP was to save space and typing time... And that is only one example. No longer an issue on the modern hardware...
as for the original question - this is a university, right ? Let them give a try. May be some javadb++ will come out of it ( ACID compliant and all )
Brgds, Laimis N
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