RE: Risk of RULE mode in 10g+

From: Goulet, Richard <Richard.Goulet_at_parexel.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:19:58 -0400
Message-ID: <6B0D50B70F12BD41B5A67F14F5AA887F051940CC_at_us-bos-mx022.na.pxl.int>

EYY, just my luck. I've got a note here from an Oracle 10g new features class that says it died. But then again how long ago did LONGS die???  

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead
PAREXEL International  

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From: Ric Van Dyke [mailto:ric.van.dyke_at_hotsos.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Goulet, Richard; zollarja_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Risk of RULE mode in 10g+

Sorry Dick but that is not true. There are some queries that can only run with CBO, like selecting from an IOT for example, but if the query can run in RULE is still will even in 11.  

I'm not aware of rule retuning wrong results but anything is possible I suppose. Jeff if you find that info I'd sure like to have it.  

A key problem with RULE is that Oracle is not keeping it updated. There will be more and more queries over time where RULE will not be used.  

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Ric Van Dyke

Hotsos Enterprises

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Goulet, Richard Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:30 PM
To: zollarja_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Risk of RULE mode in 10g+  

Jeffrey,  

    OH Dear, I'll try to find the url that says this for you, but in 10g the rule based optimizer isn't deprecated, it's dead period. You can put rule in there all you want, but it will run in cost mode. Isn't suppose to cause problems with the result set that I've heard of, nor does it cause a problem with executing the sql.  

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead
PAREXEL International    

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Zollars Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:22 PM
To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Risk of RULE mode in 10g+

We are upgrading an application to the current version and also upgrading the DB version from 9i to 10g. The application code has several bits of code that are explicitly setting RULE mode. One in a configuration table that can be updated. Second, in several hints coded in SQL statements which cannot be easily changed.

I have provided Oracle documentation to the application vendor showing that RULE mode is desupported in 10g+ versions. They were skeptical to say the least.

I had thought that I'd seen stronger warnings that RULE mode could actually generate incorrect result sets when running queries. I have searched but could not find those warnings now. I am trying to make a case to request the application vendor to go back and modify the code before we update to the current version of the application on Oracle 10.2.0.4 version. I'm concerned about the integrity of the result sets.

I am wondering if anyone knows of or can provide a link to the warning that result sets may be incorrect in 10g+ using RULE mode.

Thanks,
Jeff

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