Re: oracle and vmware ESX

On 9/13/07, Amar Kumar Padhi <amar.padhi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Frits,
> Thanks for the note, I checked this doc with oracle support. I have been
> told that the document talks about the stand taken by oracle support, but in
> no way means that oracle is Supported/Certified on VM. We came to know the
> below, I am giving you the main ones-
>
> What is not certified is not Supported.
>
> If oracle will not look at your production on VM and ask you to Simulate
> on native, it means oracle will Support your native box only, because you
> paid for the license. They will not guarantee any fixes on VM.
>
> We identified issues coming on VM that we could not simulate on Native.
>
> We deal with huge critical dbs and can't afford the risk.
>
> i suggest you raise an SR with oracle to understand licensing
> implications. We did and we came to know the risks. If you have done this
> already, ignore my saying.
>
> Rest your call.
>
> P.S.: can we post our comments to list also, Others can
> benefit/contribute...
>
> thanks!
> amar kumar padhi
> www.amar-padhi.com
> pushed from PDA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Frits Hoogland" <frits.hoogland_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Amar Kumar Padhi" <amar.padhi_at_gmail.com>
> Sent: 13/09/07 15:07
> Subject: Re: oracle and vmware ESX
>
> document id: *249212.1
> *this document states oracle products running on vmware will be supported,
> but it is not explicitly certified.
> there is no 'not supported' in it...
>
> frits
>
> On 9/13/07, Amar Kumar Padhi <amar.padhi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Please give me the Note number. I have an SR that has clear feedback
> from
> > Oracle Stating this. Yes there are notes on metalink but each has the
> > statement "it is not supported" in it.
> >
> > I actually want to see "is supported" Statement from Oracle.
> >
> > thanks!
> > amar kumar padhi
> > www.amar-padhi.com
> > pushed from PDA
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Frits Hoogland" <frits.hoogland_at_gmail.com>
> > To: "Amar Kumar Padhi" <amar.padhi_at_gmail.com>
> > Sent: 13/09/07 14:05
> > Subject: Re: oracle and vmware ESX
> >
> > This has been investigated thorougly in our organisation too.
> > The official statement of oracle is: it is supported (I can give you
> > metalink note id if you want), but if a exception is encountered which
> can
> > be related to vmware, you need to replay the entire situation on 'bare
> > metal'.
> >
> > Yes, I hear rumors oracle is going to do something with virtualisation.
> I
> > hear Xen is floating in that area.
> >
> > frits
> > On 9/13/07, Amar Kumar Padhi <amar.padhi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oracle does not support any of its products on virtual
> > environment. This
> > > will be use-it-at-your-own-risk case. I spoke to oracle support on
> this
> > > about a week back, production/dev environments will not be Supported
> on
> > > Virtual host, you may however use it for training/demo setups.
> > >
> > > We were able to simulate issues on virtual hosts that we could not do
> so
> > > on native host, such cases cannot be logged with oracle.
> > >
> > > Probably, watchout for an update from oracle in 6-8 months time.
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > > amar kumar padhi
> > > www.amar-padhi.com
> > > pushed from PDA
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Frits Hoogland" <frits.hoogland_at_gmail.com>
> > > To: "oracle-l_at_freelists.org" <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> > > Sent: 13/09/07 12:55
> > > Subject: oracle and vmware ESX
> > >
> > > Has anyone real-life experience using oracle products (database,
> > > application
> > > server suite, EBS) on vmware ESX for "production"?
> > >
> > > I browsed through the documentation on the vmware site, which is poor
> > (or
> > > non-existent one might say) from a technical point of view.
> > >
> > > More specific:
> > > -The memory 'balloon' driver.
> > > I've gotten some virtual machines (with oracle application server on
> it)
> > > which turned to an unreachable state. My guess is the balloon driver
> > > interfering with some memory hungry processes (like java), which hung
> > the
> > > machine. Anyone using the balloon driver along with db, app or EBS?
> (we
> > > have
> > > turned the balloon driver off)
> > > -Priorisation and/or resource management.
> > > AFAIK and have read across the internet (no thanks to vmware
> > > documentation),
> > > my conclusion is CPU and memory can be specifically allocated to a
> > > designated virtual machine. (is that correct?) But how about NIC
> usage?
> > > HBA
> > > usage? IO in general?
> > > I've read about priorisation on a "fair share" basis. Can anybody
> > explain
> > > what that means?
> > > To my current understanding there is no "real" guarantee about
> anything
> > > other than CPU and memory.
> > > If so, this means virtual machines who's performance are depended on
> > > anything other than CPU and memory can directly influence each other.
> > > -IO.
> > > I know disks can be used in the regular way, and directly from the
> > virtual
> > > machine. Is that correct, and is there an advantage (probably IO
> speed?)
> > > disadvantages (non-managebility, no live migration for example?)
> > >
> > > frits
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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