RE: alter system v shutdown abort

Ah, if you have to shut down the database (though can't you just do a hot backup or RMAN?) then I'd go with abort, startup, immediate. KISS applies here I think. Shouldn't take any longer than running the kill script.      

Thanks,

Jay Miller

Sr. Oracle DBA

x68355  

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The situation is that we have to have all users off so that the system can shut down for backup. It's an HP_UX HA solution that I am not familiar with. If all active users are not off, the process doesn't run and the stuff hits the fan. The process does a shutdown immediate as it's first action but that fails if a hung user is left on. I suggested that we use my program to see if there are any active users and kill them. The other option is the shutdown abort, startup, shutdown immediate but that might take longer than we have before system before the next step is excuted. Just killing any hung users seems to be less dangerous. Any other thoughts?  

Thanks again,

Ruth  

On 9/13/06, Smith, Ronald [Contractor] <Ron.Smith_at_tronox.com> wrote:

I have had to recover more than once after doing a shutdown abort. I only use it as a last resort.

I kill the users, shutdown immediate, startup, shutdown (normal).  

Ron

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Hello everyone,

Can someone tell me an alter system kill session 'sid,serial#'; will kill runaway processes or long running queries as efficiently as doing a shutdown abort, startup , shutdown immediate? I have always run a job which shutdown kills all users who shouldn't be on after a specific time but the

SA at my new job is skepticle because another DBA told him to use a shutdown abort, startup, shutdown immediate sequence.  

Thanks in advance,

Ruth

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