RE: SQLPlus -- replacement tool

From: Robson, Peter <pgro_at_bgs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:53:16 -0000
Message-ID: <20F05B2143AF194CB9E300E1AEE5EF850C6A2F@mhntsmail.ad.bgs.ac.uk>

Nice one, Sue!

Yes, a pretty comprehensive review. Lots there I can identify with. Perhaps I can feed this lot into the spec for a tool I have long wanted to build. I know of nothing to match your spec. There are still pretty huge gaps in the end-user power-user domain, it seems to me.

peter
edinburgh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue Johnson [mailto:sue_johnson_dba_at_hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:56 AM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Cc: odtug-dev-2k_at_fatcity.com
> Subject: Re: SQLPlus -- replacement tool
>
>
> OK, let me be more specific.
>
> I have used toad,nav,PL/SQL developer for several years. (I
> still need to
> research benthic & tora).
>
> My team (of 40+ users) who are all using sqlplus, comprises of 25-30
> developers, 3 dbas, and end users (some technical, some non tech).
>
> In my opinion, sqlplus is a great tool, however the problem:
> "ed" is not a great editor, hardly any help in building the sql like
> table/column lists, "." drop down as in toad, no security
> other than PROFILE
> table or priv/role managed synonymed user (pain to maintain),
> no GUI window
> for changing data as in toad & probably benthic (for DML),
> its a no-no tool
> for lower end developers and end-users, no real history, no script
> management, ... I bang away at sqlplus, but its still too
> slow at tasks that
> toad does in a giffy.
>
> toad/nav: problem's that there's too much. gui drop tables,
> gui rebuild
> index, gui this gui that, gui everything... gui cascade destroy your
> database schema and data...this causes me loss of sleep, problems:
> toad does not have the lovely classic sqlplus semicolon
> enter, if you run a
> script and it errors then script execution stops unlike sqlplus (my
> favorite) which runs scripts separated by ';' and continues
> even if some
> errored. Powerful. toad/nav editor is not well designed
> from this angle,
> too mouse driven. No security or security levels.
>
> What I am looking for is the power of SQLPLUS!, same sort of
> interface with
> power. I was hoping isqlplus or the workbench would cut it,
> but lets face
> it, we have ways to go. I am looking for a tool where
> developers/users are
> forced to write commands like in sqlplus, however, at a rapid
> pace, much
> more efficiently, with histories, with cut-paste, with lists,
> with '.'s,
> with semi-colons, with easy DML windows especially for
> updates, with easy
> spooling, spool management, spool history, with security
> levels for dbas,
> developers and end users, .....why does not the workbench
> have this, larry?
>
> ...(Deep breath)
> So, then who can suggest a tool... what should I use?
>
> Sue Johnson
> DBA
> OCP
>
>
>
> Yes, one can suggest a variety of tools (Toad, Benthic, etc
> etc), but first
> need to answer the question 'what is causing you too much time loss'.
>
> Depending on that answer - one might direct you to one of
> these tools, or
> perhaps even to purpose-built SQL*scripts. It all depends on
> what you are
> trying to do. For example, there is no way I allow our people to build
> corporate audit triggers themselvs, either in SQL or Toad
> etc. They run a
> script which I built which dynamically builds the trigger for them -
> according to our standards.
>
> I have an inbuilt distruct of gui tools, particularly when
> passed to the
> less experienced users. At least with properly written SQL
> stuff you can
> control, prompt and constrain the users.
>
> good luck!
>
> peter
> edinburgh
>
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