AW: AW: Oracle 10g for Windows

From: Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:14:00 +0100
Message-ID: <87F172BCF111D0489340AB3CB16A011E0DD1DA@EBMS20.bov.int>

If Net::Daemon doesn't work on windows, I'm actually wondering about = how to
get dbiproxy to work on windows anyway.
In O'Reilly's DBI programming, the author suggests a setup for = connecting to
a DB running on Windows via Proxy from=20 a UNIX machine. Totally doesn't work for me.

Did anybody ever get this to work? Or am I on the wrong list for = questions
like this?

Stefan

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Von: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com] Gesendet: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:15 PM An: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Oracle 10g for Windows

I don't believe that Net::Daemon will work under Windoze. The only daemons I have personally created have been via Dave Roth's Win32::Daemon.

These are daemons on that interact with services.exe.

It may be possible to subvert HTTP::Daemon for use as Net::Daemon, but I really don't know.

When I need to interact with something on a Windows system, I tend to do it with this checklist in mind:

should this be done in Perl?
if so, can I do it from a linux box?
darn, looks like this has to be done from the server.

If it has to be done on the server, and Perl is the tool of choice, I = try
to minimize the number of components.

ie. I don't want to rely on Cygwin.

I will install Perl, and the modules needed to do the job.

I've don't try to setup the Cygwin Perl to use DBD::Oracle, etc.

Instead, I just use the Active State perl when in a Cygwin shell, which I only do from my laptop.

Jared

Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de>
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Hi Jared

Since you are the list's official Perl guru:

Speaking of making impossible things possible: Is there a way of getting a DBI::Proxy server=3D20 to work under windows using Active State (5.6)? I needed to install Net::Daemon and PlRPC,=3D20 but I keep getting Net::Daemon errors reporting=3D20 non-implemented methods needed by dbiproxy.

I would like to use that to run perl scripts=3D20 that were developed on and for unix to be run=3D20 on Cygwin, connecting to a local dbiproxy running=3D20 on Win2k (ActiveState Perl).

Any chance?

Stefan

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Von: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill_at_cybcon.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2004 17:03 An: Oracle-L Freelists
Betreff: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows

Robert,

The point with several of these items is that they=3D20 are not provided with the OS.

Re the services: stopping and starting a service will not pick modifications to the environment. It requires a reboot.

As for your comment on Perl: You don't appear to have too much experience with it. Perl makes hard things easy, and impossible things possible. :)

Jared

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 06:48, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> Comments inline ...

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> RF

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> -----Original Message-----

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> >> What I dislike about working with Oracle on Windows:

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> >> * No decent scheduler. Yes there is 'at'. Like I said...
> Good point, though this should be less of an issue with the new =3D
Oracle
> Database 10g Scheduler, which is supposed to be able to kick off =3D
external
> programs (including batch programs). I have not played with this =3D
specific
> bit of functionality much, but what I have played with worked.
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> >> * Installing Perl on win32 with all needed modules has become =
a=3D20
> >> monumental pain in the rear.
> Hmmmmmm..... Another reason that Perl just isn't one of my fav. =3D
scripting
> languages.

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> >> * Why can't MS provide a semi-decent code editor.
> >> Yeah, notepad. Right.
> and vi or ed is any better??? Granted, once you learn vi, it's pretty
cool,
> but in the begining? UGH! My vote for best windows editor is =3D
textpad....
> hands down the best editor I've ever used.

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> Anyone remember an editor called EC? Do they still make it?

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> >> * Command line utilities. You think unix/linux is arcane?
> Actually, you can do a lot at the command line in NT.... Of course, =
=3D
it's
not
> as robust as UNIX (have yet to find, for example, a fold command). =
=3D
Still,
if
> you are some C or basic coding experience or you are adept at the =3D
web,
it's
> not too bad.=3D20

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> >> * The fact that an incredibly robust PIPE implementation is built =
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in,
> >> but there is no access from the command line. And that Oracle is =
=3D
built
> >> with the MS stdlib ( think that's the sitation ) so even
> >> when you get 3rd party tools that work with PIPE's, they won't =3D
work
> >> with Oracle.
> Ok, I agree, this has been an issue with me as well.=3D20

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> >> * The fact that there are still drive letters.
> Ahhhh, so what? :-) Drive letters, mount points, who cares?=3D20

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> >> * That MS has *finally* got around to offering unix like =3D
utilities, but
> >> wants $100 for them, on top of the money you've already paid for =
=3D
the=3D20
> >> OS.
> I've seen NT related UNIX utilities around for a while (don't recall =
=3D
if
they
> were MS though).=3D20

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> >> * That it took until Win23k for MS to design the system to allow

> >> different versions of apps to have different versions of DLL's.
> >> Lesse, we've been doing this on unix for 30 years or so?
> Hey, we all have growing pains! :-)

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> >> * The stupid Oracle home selector that is strictly a GUI.
> I have yet to use the Oracle home selector. Of course, I'm an old =3D
Oracle
> command line guy.... OEM gives me a rash.
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> >> * That whenever a change in environment is made that needs to be =
=3D
picked
> >> up by an existing or new service, you must reboot because there is =
=3D
no
> >> other way to reset the environment seen by services.exe.
> Can't you just stop and restart the service? How often does one need =
=3D
to
> change the environment in production anyway (hopefully not that often =
=3D
once
> it's stable!)

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> >> Mind you now, Oracle runs just fine on win32. It's maintaining it =
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and
> >> working with the environment that is so annoying, and made =3D
difficult
> >> where it shouldn't be.
> For me, the scheduler has been the biggest issue of all of these. =3D
Frankly,
> the others don't cause me much of an issue. Each platform has it's =
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good
and
> bad side. Which would I prefer, Oracle on UNIX... but I just don't =
=3D
think
> Windows is that bad.

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> Jared

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> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:26, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> > My 2 cents...
> >=3D20
> > Most of the complaints I see about Oracle on Win here are either:
> >=3D20
> > 1. By people doing it for the first time, or who rarely do it.
> > 2. By people who are doing Oracle for the first time, or rarely do =
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it.
> >=3D20
> > I actually like Oracle on Win, and I agree with Tom, I've had few
> problems
> > with it.
> >=3D20
> > I agree that installing service packs is maddening, but don't most
> Unix OS
> > upgrades of any great import seem to require a reboot?=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Robert
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Koivu, Lisa
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Sent: 2/13/2004 12:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >=3D20
> > Hi Tom,=3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > Are you kidding? You never have to install service packs and
> reboot?=3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > We run windows 2003 and our "vice president" in IT decided that as =
=3D
a
> > corporate standard we should turn on auto-update and let the boxes
> > reboot themselves. Excuse me??=3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > The more I work on Windows, the more I do not like it. However, =
=3D
I'm
> in
> > the same boat as you. You make do with what you are given when you
> are
> > not personally paying the bill.
> >=3D20
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Senior Monkey
> > Orlando, FL, USA
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mercadante, Thomas F
> > [mailto:thomas.mercadante_at_labor.state.ny.us]=3D3D20
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:58 AM
> > To: 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >=3D20
> > Unfortunately, we have to put up with unrealistic comments like =3D
these.
> > let
> > me repeat it again for those who forget:
> >=3D20
> > Some of us have no choice in the operating system that we work =3D
with.
> > And
> > some of us are running systems under a Windows environment and are
> > perfectly
> > happy with how things run, and *never ever* have the "problems" =3D
that
> get
> > reported here. =3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > I have windows databases that have been running for 3 years now.
> > *Never*
> > does the machine crash. And *never* do we reboot "just because we
> > should".
> >=3D20
> > If you experience bad things, then I suggest you take it up with =
=3D
your
> > system
> > admin. More than likely, somebody was allowed to treat a database
> > server
> > like a personal desktop.
> >=3D20
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >=3D20
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:Rajendra.Jamadagni_at_espn.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:46 AM
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Remind me again .. is this oracle-l forum or slashdot ??
> >=3D20
> > <g>
> >=3D20
> > Raj
> >
> =3D

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> > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
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> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
> > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of David Sharples
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:44 AM
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
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> > Define dominant?
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> > The chances of Linux overtaking the average desktop in the world =
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are
> > pretty slim and Linux is not really mature enough to run enterprise
> > level stuff - maybe soon it will be.
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> > Sun and HP are Windows are still more widely used (rightly or =3D
wrongly)
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