generally speaking there are two groups of people using the RBO.
- The DBAs who have been around for 15 years and doesnt read release notes and doesnt feel the need to read release notes or documentation because he knows everything. He may have tried the CBO in 1995 and had 1-2 bad experiences.
- People who have to because they are using off the shelf cross platform applications. They are required to use the RBO or their support contract for these products will be invalidated. They are generally using the RBO for a combination of 3 reasons.
- They dont know what they are doing.
- They have a 'layered complex view' model. that goes multi-levels deep, and has complex functions. They do this to make it easier to port to multiple types of databases and keep prices down. CBO doesnt work well in this condition.
- They tuned for the RBO 10 years ago and do not want to spend the time or money tuning for the CBO because Oracle is just one of many databases that they port to. They are trying to keep costs down for small shops and have to really watch expenses. Most people who buy these applications dont have large budgets.
>
> From: "Stephane Paquette" <stephane.paquette_at_standardlife.ca>
> Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 01:29:26 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Subject: RE: CBO, RBO and will v5 ever really go away?
>
> 38 is my age, Mladen is 42
>
> Stephane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Bellow, Bambi
> Sent: 20 octobre, 2003 13:04
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Let's do the time warp again! 2003-1961=42... But, I liked 1999 better...
> just a jump to the left...
>
> One thing about living in the past...
> The rent sure is cheaper.
>
> Bambi (feeling that 38 is a spry young thang)
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:44 AM
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>
>
> Is 38 that old ???
>
> Stephane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Mladen Gogala
> Sent: 17 octobre, 2003 18:00
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ah, another one who can claim experience. According to one of
> the previous post it's a genuine gold mine these days. Being born
> in the Jurassic (1961) has its advantages, but I have yet to find
> them.
> On 10/17/2003 05:29:31 PM, Stephane Paquette wrote:
> > And also SQL*Loader will be rename to ODL (Oracle Data Loader)
> >
> > Stephane
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Mladen Gogala
> > Sent: 17 octobre, 2003 17:19
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Bambi, Oracle 5.1.22 was an exceptionally stable version of oracle,
> > with very few parameters (names were "TABLES","INDEXES" and alike)
> > and, as such will forever be committed to our memory.
> > Furthermore, RBO is used in the data dictionary, just like the
> > datatype
> > LONG which has also, allegedly, been desupported but someone forgot
> > to
> > tell that to developers. There are things from V5.1.22 that I'm
> > missing
> > even today. There used to be something called "rpf/rpt" which was a
> > very good thing for writing quick command line reports without huge
> > and
> > buggy gooey interface. I started learning the only other language
> > that
> > has formats and page handling and is not COBOL when rpt/rpf was taken
> > away in 7.1 (your guess is correct, it's perl). In short, Oracle 5
> > will
> > never go away. I here that in version 11, SQL*Plus will be renamed to
> > UFI (= User Friendly Interface) and there will be tools for
> > generating
> > simple forms called IAP, IAG and IAD...
> > On 10/17/2003 04:54:25 PM, "Bellow, Bambi" wrote:
> > > Friends --
> > >
> > > I just got back from a week of benchmarking and one of the "issues"
> > > that
> > > came out of it was, due to some rather, um, interesting, coding
> > > techniques,
> > > running schema level statistics both wrecked performance *and*
> > > produced
> > > Oracle Bug 2954921. So we had to remove the statistics before
> > running
> > > additional tests. Of course, RBO is being desupported soon, so we
> > > really
> > > ought to modify things. But, this brings up another issue. See,
> > > Oracle
> > > says, and here I am paraphrasing, of course, that...
> > >
> > > RBO is going to die. We're not supporting it anymore. Nope. Once
> > > you get
> > > off of 9.2, that's it. Finito. Hasta la vista, Ba-bee. Well, no,
> > > it's not
> > > really going away. YET. It will still be behind the scenes for
> > > awhile. But
> > > sooner or later, it's going to die. You've been warned. This
> > isn't
> > > going
> > > to be like Forms2.3. No. We're serious this time. We put in all
> > > these
> > > great features that y'all aren't using because your code is
> > dependent
> > > on RBO
> > > and RBO can't use these features and that sucks because we really
> > > like
> > > these
> > > features. Now, we figure that a slim minority of people... maybe
> > > 20%... are
> > > still using RBO. 20%. Barely noticeable. (dinosaurs, grumble,
> > > grumble)
> > > Well, we're taking it away. We're going to drag you into the new
> > > millenium
> > > and you're going to use CBO. And you're going to like it. We'll
> > > leave RBO
> > > in there for awhile, but one day you'll wake up and it will be
> > gone.
> > > Gone,
> > > I tell you, GONE! Just you wait. 5, 10 years from now, RBO will
> > be
> > > a
> > > mere
> > > a memory. Just like Forms2.3. Oh, and that "select * from tab;"
> > > that
> > > you're doing every once in awhile to see if it still works, you
> > just
> > > wait,
> > > someday *someday* we're going to take *that* away too. And you're
> > > just
> > > going to have to live with it. HAhahahaha!
> > >
> > > So, what do you think? Will v5 ever really go away? And when will
> > > RBO just
> > > stop working?
> > >
> > > Bambi.
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