Oracle-L: RE: Nature of Oracle-l has changed

From: Odland, Brad <Brad.Odland_at_qtiworld.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:14:26 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005CC818.20030822131426@fatcity.com>

Evolve and prosper may mean leaving IT work....

Here are some other possibilities:

Open your own pub
Become a carney - (Hard work but you get to party ALL THE TIME)
Enter Damagement (If you like that)
Go back to school (Art, theology, history, science use your gifted brain for something other than crappy canned software that noone gives a rat's a** about)
Sell everything and go overseas and work with an aid agency...(die poor but rich in so many ways)
Write that novel you have dreamed about....(you know the one where the DBA reveals the truth bihind the 9/11 conspiracy based on data hidden in the archive logs found on a tape in a box in the CIA during a systems upgrade...WAIT get your own idea..!!)

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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:09 PM
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> I believe the mantra needs to be "evolve and prosper, stagnate and die".

I've been thinking along much the same lines.

Jared

"Goulet, Dick" <DGoulet_at_vicr.com>
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08/22/2003 09:09 AM
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                 OK, who let "Chicken Little" out of his room??

                As someone at a location that is doing a lot of third party

application buying, yes we in some ways are crane operators and mechanics. But then comes the fun of integrating the data from that new application into the remainder of the applications in place. 99% of the time these interactions, and reporting needs, are outside of the vendors scope of knowledge. SO who do you think gets the job? You guessed it, the DBA. Are we dinosaurs? Yes, if you don't open your eyes to other possibilities. I believe the mantra needs to be "evolve and prosper, stagnate and die".

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:49 AM
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There is another thing happening: companies are more and more relying on canned,
off the shelf applications, in a hope to become "compliant with present standards".
That has dramatically cut down the number of needed developers, because if you don't
have to develop your general ledger, payroll, CRM and HR software, you only need
IT staffers to monitor production.
That is why I think that Jonathan Lewis is wrong in his "Practical Databases" when he talks
about "DBA being a repository of knowledge". No, the role of the DBA today is the one
of a crane operator: "just get the darned thing going, buddy". DBA is a mechanic that
fixes database when it's slow, and that's it. The business role of IT is no longer
to be at the forefront of the organization, but to keep thins running and do what
business people tell them to do. Companies are no longer doing development are leaving
cooking to the cooks and software development to the big software companies. One of the reasons is also the culture clash among very well educated, liberal and hippie
computer geeks and somewhat less educated "old school" drill sergeant type managers who want
everybody to be at their desks at 7:30, cleanly shaven, no jeans, no "surf naked" Dilbert
T-shirts or "I am a DMCA circumvention device" T-shirts. Basically, what I'm noticing is
sort of "returning to the roots" cultural movement where business management no longer
wants to tolerate the laid back IT culture. When cost cutting decisions are made, IT people
are the 1st to go. They stil need DBA's because they'd better have somebody monitoring
their multi-TB databases, but development is no longer necessary. IT applications
are going to be as standardized as a stapler, so there is less and less need for development.
Friends, we're dinosaurs, a dying breed. I'm considering a career of a second
hand car salesman or a real estate agent.

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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA

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Stephane Paquette
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

That's why my post on historic tables and views seem lonely ....;-)

Stephane

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Jared Still
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Has anyone else noticed?

Not so long ago, we saw quite a few more questions about such things as data modeling, application security architecture, physical database design, and Oracle Designer

Not so much anymore.

Do you think it's because there are so few development projects taking place? Seems like in house development died with the dot bomb and has not begun to recover.

I know at my place of employment there is very little development, but that is due more to the size and nature of this place, as well as the management. ( they don't like in house development :( )

Now I spend my days with stuff like making NetBackup work with Oracle, migrating SAP all over the place and keeping things running.

Not that we haven't always done those things, but I miss some not having a good development project. Ah, to do some real data modeling again.

Just some food for thought.

Jared

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