RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

America doesn't do anything you mentioned as a collective entity. We individuals would like to live normal American resonably economically secure lives. We grew up in that environment and we kind of like it with some individual exceptions. Tech was supposed to provide those kind of career paths. Whenever this kind of thing happens the individuals involved feel betrayed by the economic entities that have benefited both from the labor we have invested in our careers and the money we have spent on the products made by these corporations. We feel that those American executives, who are after all not making the argument that we can get cheaper executives in India too, are breaking the implicit bargin we made. Not that this "bargin" ever had any standing in reality but we are talking about people's feelings here.

Allan

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:59 PM
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labor is just like another raw material . when America can dump chemical , weapons , plastic and electronic on name of free trade to all over world , why are we scarred when someone else is dumping labor ??

-ak

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> You preachin' to the choir here ... <g>
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> v/r
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> Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig Healey [mailto:c.healey_at_hhsuk.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:54 PM
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> > Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
> > >
> > > be an overall benefit to the economy, too. However, the financial

> > > argument of should I pay 75K - 120K a year for US based DBAs or
> > > pay 45K - 80K for offshore talent is hard to beat. The money
> > > ranges I gave are contract employee/job shop type of quotes, IOW,
> > > a 75K US position would be for a junior DBA that is actually
> > > getting 35K-40K and so on up the skill range.
> > >
> > But don't forget the hidden costs. You need an experienced person at

> > your end, with good communications skills, to manage the
> > outsourcing. Plus, you have to take into account the time difference

> > if any "in-hours" work is to be done. Plus, once you've outsourced
> > and fired your in-house staff, you may get tied to the outsourcing
> > company as they are the only ones who know your data. Using
> > outsourcing purely to save money in the short term is just poor
> > management. But they won't be told
> > :-)
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