RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

Scott Adams has said it all ...

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20030803.html

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:20 PM
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I'm ideologically opposed to almost anything that obstructs free trade, even if it directly affects my personal economy, income and career. It's a global economy and other industries (e.g. auto mfgrs., textiles, agriculture, etc.) have had to adapt or cope so why shouldn't we? What makes us think we're so special or should be exempt? If someone can do your job better and cheaper than you is it their fault? The best protection is not in trade legislation but in being competitive and providing a good service with value. If your job merely involves "interfacing" with computers via an online session then it really doesn't matter where you are. That can be both good and bad depending on your circumstance.

Steve Orr, disciple of Adam Smith...

Virtually present in Bozeman, MT but actually operating from my laptop via wireless connection while sunning at the beach on a heretofore undisclosed Carribean Isle.

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

This makes me puke.

• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:04 AM

> I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that
> has fired all of their programmers at least at that location. All's
> done in India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing.
>
> Rich
>
> Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
> rjesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Leith [mailto:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter
> > role) you would
> > actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > KENNETH JANUSZ
> > Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Dennis:
> >
> > With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et
> > al. I don't
> > think companies are very included to do this because of
> > security concerns
> > and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB.
> > It's not a
> > good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM
> >
> >
> > > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> > > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs
> > aren't always
> > > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
> > than available
> > > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
> > their positions.
> > > When there are more candidates than available jobs,
> > companies often find
> > > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
> > >
> > > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> > > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the
> > catastrophe didn't
> > > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
> > executives
> > > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have
> > > naturally declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went
> > > wild. I
> > think we are
> > > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
> > extravagant
> > > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
> > development
> > > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect
> > Oracle DBA work
> > > yet?
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
> > > DBA
> > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think it has as much to do with no available
> > positions (although
> > > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
> > companies don't use
> > > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially
> > > for technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing,
> > etc. to do
> > their
> > > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've
> > seen this
> > > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area
> > over the past
> > > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide
> > e-mail service that
> > > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
> > specs. So, why
> > > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
> > >
> > > My $0.02 worth,
> > >
> > > Ken Janusz, CPIM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA
> > job postings,
> > > two
> > > > years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per
> > week, now I tend
> > to
> > > > see one or two, or none.
> > > >
> > > > For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't
> > know if they
> > > still
> > > > do that or how successful they now are.
> > > >
> > > > The market has really shrunk in two years!
> > > >
> > > > There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for
> > work... It
> > must
> > > be
> > > > a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
> > infrastructure
> > > > changes anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Patrice.
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