RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

Ken,

With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter role) you would actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!

Mark

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KENNETH JANUSZ
Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
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Dennis:

With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et al. I don't think companies are very included to do this because of security concerns and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB. It's not a good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.

Ken

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> Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always
> advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than available
> candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their positions.
> When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often find
> that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
>
> Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe didn't
> occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
executives
> felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we are
> just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the extravagant
> dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
development
> work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA work
> yet?
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
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>
> I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions (although
> that is part of the answer) as most medium to large companies don't use
> newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for
> technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do
their
> recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this
> definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the past
> couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail service that
> sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So, why
> waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
>
> My $0.02 worth,
>
> Ken Janusz, CPIM
>
>
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>
>
> > I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job postings,
> two
> > years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I tend
to
> > see one or two, or none.
> >
> > For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if they
> still
> > do that or how successful they now are.
> >
> > The market has really shrunk in two years!
> >
> > There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It
must
> be
> > a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
infrastructure
> > changes anymore.
> >
> > Patrice.
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