Re: Another OCP slant...

From: Tanel Poder <tanel.poder.003_at_mail.ee>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:58:38 +0300
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RE: Another OCP slant...Hi!

Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and 8i DBA? 5 + 1 should have been = enough?

Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to EOUG yearly conference, Oracle = promoted their OCP exams there and let people take their exams free. I = thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed all 5 exams = in one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams were = so easy (I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then).=20

But now I see guys who spend a month memorizing every word in exam cram = books and still pass the exams, without having any skill to maintain = actual real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says to me right = now, is that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at least = is willing to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do = fist in Oracle career, is a different issue.

Tanel.
Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle Certified Master.

Original Message -----=20 From: April Wells=20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: RE: Another OCP slant...

for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 8i. = Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgrade test in 8 weeks.

  April Wells=20
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  Corporate Systems=20
  Amarillo Texas=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD = [mailto:Ronald.Stefick_at_RANDOLPH.AF.MIL]

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Another OCP slant...

No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and studied from the = books given in the class. They make for great reference books now as = well.

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From: Denham Eva [mailto:EvaD_at_TFMC.co.za]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:34 AM=20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20 Subject: Another OCP slant...=20

Hello Folks,=20

I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a person(x2) = who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These two don't = have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they did it, = it came out that they used the threads on a website called = www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other = issues.=20

Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study for their = OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid?=20

    Regards=20
    Denham Eva=20
    Oracle DBA=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and =

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1 should have been enough?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to =

EOUG yearly=20
conference, Oracle promoted their OCP exams there and let people take = their=20
exams free. I thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed = all 5=20
exams in one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams = were so=20
easy (I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But now I see guys who spend a month = memorizing=20
every word in exam cram books and still pass the exams, without having = any skill=20
to maintain actual real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says = to me=20
right now, is that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at = least=20
is willing to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do = fist in=20
Oracle career, is a different issue.</DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tanel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle =

Certified=20
Master.</DIV>
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 <DIV>for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book = for=20
 8i.  Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgrade test = in 8=20
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 <DIV>April Wells = <FONT=20
 face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA = <FONT=20
 face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Corporate Systems <FONT=20 face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Amarillo Texas </DIV> You will recognize your own = path when you=20
 come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and = imagination=20
 you will ever need.
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size=3D2>-----Original Message----- From: Stefick Ronald S = Contr=20

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July 17, 2003 8:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list=20 ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Another OCP = slant... </DIV>

No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes = and studied=20

from the books given in the class.  They make for great = reference books=20

now as well.
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size=3D2>Subject: Another OCP slant... Hello Folks, I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We = have a=20

person(x2) who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. = These=20

two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how = they did=20

it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called=20 www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other = issues.=20

Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions = to study=20

for their OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid? Regards Denham = Eva <FONT=20

size=3D2>Oracle DBA Linux like TeePee... = No Windows,=20

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