RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?

Jared,

In my experience in IT. Some of the very best technicians did not have degrees or had degrees in other areas like Psychology, Math (okay we know why). Independent thinking is important in this field and getting a degree I am sorry to say doesn't always demonstrate a persons ability to do that or to apply what they have learned to the "real-world". I have met PH'D's who seem to have left their common-sense behind in their quest for knowledge. Not good.

Oracle OCP DBA

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Hmm, I don't have a degree in anything, but it hasn't seem to have hurt me too much.

Age and experience play a part I guess.

Jared

On Wednesday 07 May 2003 10:31, Orr, Steve wrote:
> I hold a generic MBA... hold the applause please. To my
amazement/amusement
> it's actually made a difference in successful gig acquisition. It doesn't
> seem to matter whether the institution is ivory tower or run of the mill,
> paper mill that is. Getting an accredited online degree in your spare time
> could be a strategy for folks that don't want to give up a job. I guess
the
> question is whether the degree is for personally vanity or part of a well
> thought out career plan.
>
> Teenage hackers who are smart as a whip and can write their own ticket
> without any degree may be an even better career strategy for geeks. Just
> ask Billy G. Or for a real laugh check out the offensive commencement
> address Larry E. gave to a bunch of ivory tower grads.
>

http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.satire
>wire.com/news/0006/satire%2Dellison.html (btw, the above speech is actually
> a hoax as it never occurred.)
>
> It's getting cold around here... 4 degrees below zero:
>
> 0
> M.B.A. More Banal Accolades
> B.S. Bull S**t
> M.S More of the Same
> Ph.D Piled High and Deep
>
>
> Steve Orr
> Bozeman, Montana
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> If you are planning to stay on the technical/practical/nuts and bolts side
> of things, then a masters is the way to go. I wouldn't bother with a Ph.D
> unless you are shooting for a teaching/research position. At best most
> places will ignore it and at worst you will be overqualified. If you have
> the extra time, get a second masters, perhaps an MBA. Your training should
> say, "I understand the practical side of all this" not "I am Ivory Tower,
> go away."
>
> My hope is to retire to a teaching position at a local university in 20
> years. In a case like that I will want that Ph.D, but not for some time
> yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:42 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ive noticed that not having a technical degree really hurt me in my latest
> job search. Getting another bachelors would actually take as long as
> getting 2 masters degrees and almost as long as Ph.D, since Universites
are
> 'difficult' on transfer credit.
>
> Ive also noticed that alot of positions these days really want technical
> degrees and preferably graduate degrees. Masters only takes 2 years and
its
> interesting since. Havent decided on the Ph.D, will take me a while since
I
> have a non-technical degree, so I have to take a bunch of math to qualify.
>
> Im only 28 and basically while Im still young, I want to make sure Im
> position so that in the future I can do what ever is needed. I doublt Ill
> be writing PL/SQL then. I worked with a guy who was a mainframer for 30
> years and the demand for him was extremely high through the early 1990s,
> but has fallen off the earth. He got into Oracle development, but he had
to
> step down to a junior level position. This gravely concerns me.
>
> Ph.D... is a real pain.

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