Oracle-L: Re: RE: My career path and Oracle?

From: KENNETH JANUSZ <kjanusz_at_att.net>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 04:51:43 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.00593969.20030508045143@fatcity.com>

RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?Congratulations on getting your MBA. It's hard work, but worth it from the satisfaction you get from obtaining it. Good to see you got it the hard way, and not via a six week course on the internet.

Ken Janusz, CPIM, B.S., MBA

Original Message ----- From: April Wells To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?

GOT my MBA, but I don't let it push me towards damagement... I find it interesting to figure out what I can do better in my systems to better meet the needs of the people I end up supporting (for some reason, I always seem to support the accounting department in one manner or another). Knowing the language and kind of understanding what they are talking about helps me to make the leap in trying to understand how to help them.

Did graduating with the stupid thing do anything for me directly. $&(# no. Not likely to, either... no one even bothered to congratulate me when I finally finished (after 5 years and 3 different schools in 3 different states and 62 masters credits). BUT, I finished for me, and it helps me.

It isn't for anybody. If I knew then what I know now, probably wouldn't have bothered even starting it. A lot of busy work. A lot of hassle for what I could have gotten out of a couple good websites and a few library books. Live and learn.

  April Wells
  Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
  Corporate Systems
  Amarillo Texas
  Well-behaved women rarely make history

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?

I don't have any degree higher than a plain BA. It hasn't made a difference as far as I can see, however, I have gone on interviews where they asked if I had a college degree. They didn't seem to care WHAT the degree was in (mine as it happens IS in Computer Science).

I started an MBA program. And realized that it would push me towards the management track (I hope I'd never turn into damagement), where I didn't want to be.

Someday I'll go back to school, perhaps for another degree, perhaps not. Definitely for something I'm interested in as opposed to something just to earn money

"Orr, Steve" <sorr_at_rightnow.com> wrote:
> I hold a generic MBA... hold the applause please. To my
> amazement/amusement it's actually made a difference in successful gig
> acquisition. It doesn't seem to matter whether the institution is
> ivory tower or run of the mill, paper mill that is. Getting an
> accredited online degree in your spare time could be a strategy for
> folks that don't want to give up a job. I guess the question is
> whether the degree is for personally vanity or part of a well thought
> out career plan.
>
> Teenage hackers who are smart as a whip and can write their own
> ticket without any degree may be an even better career strategy for
> geeks. Just ask Billy G. Or for a real laugh check out the offensive
> commencement address Larry E. gave to a bunch of ivory tower grads.
>
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.satirewire.com/news/0006/satire%2Dellison.html
> (btw, the above speech is actually a hoax as it never occurred.)
>
> It's getting cold around here... 4 degrees below zero:
>
> 0
> M.B.A. More Banal Accolades
> B.S. Bull S**t
> M.S More of the Same
> Ph.D Piled High and Deep
>
>
> Steve Orr
> Bozeman, Montana
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> If you are planning to stay on the technical/practical/nuts and bolts
> side of things, then a masters is the way to go. I wouldn't bother
> with a Ph.D unless you are shooting for a teaching/research position.
> At best most places will ignore it and at worst you will be
> overqualified. If you have the extra time, get a second masters,
> perhaps an MBA. Your training should say, "I understand the practical
> side of all this" not "I am Ivory Tower, go away."
>
> My hope is to retire to a teaching position at a local university in
> 20 years. In a case like that I will want that Ph.D, but not for some
> time yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:42 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ive noticed that not having a technical degree really hurt me in my
> latest job search. Getting another bachelors would actually take as
> long as getting 2 masters degrees and almost as long as Ph.D, since
> Universites are 'difficult' on transfer credit.
>
> Ive also noticed that alot of positions these days really want
> technical degrees and preferably graduate degrees. Masters only takes
> 2 years and its interesting since. Havent decided on the Ph.D, will
> take me a while since I have a non-technical degree, so I have to
> take a bunch of math to qualify.
>
> Im only 28 and basically while Im still young, I want to make sure Im
> position so that in the future I can do what ever is needed. I doublt
> Ill be writing PL/SQL then. I worked with a guy who was a mainframer
> for 30 years and the demand for him was extremely high through the
> early 1990s, but has fallen off the earth. He got into Oracle
> development, but he had to step down to a junior level position. This
> gravely concerns me.
>
> Ph.D... is a real pain.
>
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> --
> Author: <rgaffuri_at_cox.net
> INET: rgaffuri_at_cox.net
>
>

  Do you Yahoo!?
  The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.   http://search.yahoo.com
  --
  Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net   --
  Author: Rachel Carmichael
    INET: wisernet100_at_yahoo.com

  Fat City Network Services    -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com 
  San Diego, California        -- Mailing list and web hosting services 
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).

The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies.

Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.

-- 
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
-- 
Author: KENNETH JANUSZ
  INET: kjanusz_at_att.net

Fat City Network Services    -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com
San Diego, California        -- Mailing list and web hosting services
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).

Received on Thu May 08 2003 - 07:51:43 CDT