dev vs. dba (was RE: max open cursors case)

From: Pardee, Roy E <roy.e.pardee_at_lmco.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:23:59 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0057E287.20030409102359@fatcity.com>

This reminds me of a conflict we had here over whether to use Designer's Table API (generated triggers) for designer generated applications. Our then-DBA put his foot down over it & forbade us to use it. My main ploy in convincing him otherwise amounted to "Dude--somebody's got to write that code--you wouldn't really rather have a chucklehead like *me* writing it, would you?". Unfortunately, he didn't buy that...

In the "light a candle" spirit--is anybody out there doing inservice trainings or brown bag sessions to try and bring up the level of db expertise of the devs? If there's time, I would think that'd be a decent option--very good politics, etc.

Cheers,

-Roy

Roy Pardee
Programmer/Analyst
SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
Extension 8487

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Raj,

After years of getting beaten up because I did not control the code going into my database and it caused performance problems, I finally learned and have turned into a very very stubborn person when it comes to this stuff. Of course, it helps that my boss backs me up on this :)

Rachel

• "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <Rajendra.Jamadagni_at_espn.com> wrote:
  > Rachel,
  >
  > Funny .. I think the general notion is, it is usually development
  > that says
  > .. "it is our database, your job is to keep is running ..." Plus,
  > code
  > formatting, code standards and code review are steps invented by you
  > DBehs
  > just to slow us down. Yup, it affects the throughput ...
  >
  > <g>
  > Raj
  >
  

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  > Can you explain exactly HOW I get a different set of developers,
  > short
  > of quitting my job? And how I ensure that the next set are any
  > better?
  > Considering the state of the economy in the US right now, that's not
  > something I'd do lightly.
  >
  > I simply smile at the developers, say "it's my database, any code
  > that
  > is placed in it without prior review will be deleted from the
  > database".
  >
  > I also repeat, over and over and over until they give in just to make
  > me stop, that I will be part of all database design meetings because
  > again, nothing goes into and STAYS in the database unless I've
  > reviewed
  > it. Think "two year old who has just learned the word NO".
  >
  > And if that doesn't work, I go out and find a two by four to beat
  > them
  > senseless.
  > >
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