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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Oracle Internet File System -- Oracle Taketh Away?
With apologies to Tom Leherer
"The project will be a big success
The files accessed through OCS"
There is a very large difference between what's possibly happening with iFS and editions and options. It has always cost more for the "Enterprise Edition". The spatial option has always cost more to license. Here a product which was free with the EE 8.1.7 release requires licensing 9 iAS for a newer release, and licensing Collaboration Suite for the newest release of all. If the last sentence is true, I am disgusted.
We have built our own system for storing and searching conference presentations, physics papers, and the like based on BLOBS, Intermedia, and our own metadata and Oracle iAS. It has been very well received. When I began the negotiations with the user community to upgrade and apply the necessary security patches. The main objections were from users of the system. For example
2) Early March is an extremely poor choice for an outage of the BaBar
Publications Database. This is the height of the spring conference
season and we will be using it to distribute papers for the
La Thuile conference and both Moriond conferences in March:
17th Les Rencontres De Physique De La Vallee D'Aoste: Results
And Perspectives In Particle Physics, 9-15 Mar 2003, La Thuile,
Aosta Valley, Italy, SPIRES Conf Num: C03/03/09.1,
38th Rencontres De Moriond On Electroweak Interactions And
Unified Theories, 15-22 Mar 2003, Les Arcs, France,
SPIRES Conf Num: C03/03/15.1,
and
38th Rencontres De Moriond On QCD And High-Energy Hadronic
Interactions, 22-29 Mar 2003, Les Arcs, Savoie, France,
SPIRES Conf Num: C03/03/22.3.
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The system is being used solely by our Bfactory collaboration looking at CP violation. Another group working on the Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope is also keenly interested and are very close to dropping their commercially built system. Our main Technical Publications department is also interested.
There are questions on whether the home-built system can provide all that is needed. Of course no specifications have been released! Poducts, however are being put through an initial filtering process. I mentioned OCS with the caveat that I would be wary of any first release from Oracle. I also apprised people of iFS noting my belief that iFS was free to us. I may now have to retract that statement saying it is free now, but in the future we'll need to purchase OCS licenses.
What of the people using iFS now in part because it was free for them? Will they need to license OCS? If one purchases OCS is Oracle going to say in another couple of years that yet another product is needed?
The Oracle readme files for quite a while have mentioned the demise of partition views and encouraged uses of such to move to the partitioning option. I had always wondered if when the view support was pulled whether the option would then be free. My assumption was that it would. Now I am very unsure.
BTW the security patches were applied :)
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ian_at_SLAC.Sranford.edu
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:04 AM
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Thank you very much. I hope this doesn't mean that future versions of Oracle Files. ne้ Oracle Ifs, will only be available by purchasing Oracle Collaboration Suite.
There is always the possibility that this is exactly what could happen, if it hasn't already.
Notice the way the main Oracle product is divided between Standard and Enterprise. There are certain features (spatial, for example) which are ONLY available if an Enterprise licence is purchased. The fact that the spatial stuff will run an a standard installation indicates (as usual) that these divisions are often marketing-led. Energetic user groups and customers can have influence in correcting these anomalies...
peter
edinburgh
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Ian MacGregor
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:37 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
iFS 1.X.X and below is alternately with the 8.1.7 database and 9iAS 1.0.2.X
9iFS 9.0.1 is with the Database CD Pack {on a seperate CD}
9iFS 9.0.2 is part of 9iAS 9.0.2 {on a seperate CD}
9iFS 9.0.3 has been renamed as Oracle Files and is part of Oracle Collaboration Suite.
Check the MetaLink certification pages for
"Internet File System" [which goes upto 9.0.1]
"9i Internet Application Server" [where 9iFS 9.0.2 is listed under
components for 9iAS 9.0.2]
"Oracle Collaboration Suite" [where Oracle Files 9.0.3 is listed under
components for OCS 9.0.3]
Hemant
At 04:19 PM 04-03-03 -0800, you wrote:
>I believe this is free with the Enterprise Edition of the database
>server,
>but I have not been able to confirm it. There is certainly no "iFS"
>option. Am I correct here or not? Can anyone point me to an Oracle
>document saying it is free.
>
>We are looking at collaboration tools such as SharePoint which takes a
>SQL
>Server back end. Oracle is pushing "Collaboration Suite", but I am wary >of any first release from Oracle especially in an area where their success
>as been non-existent. I have not seen any specifications for what is
>needed and iFS may be satisfactory.
>
>Ian MacGregor
>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
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