RE: simple question on DDL

Don't forget that extent allocation also affects the extent map for the segment and possibly the high water mark. The hwm can be set without allocating another extent and allocation of an extent may not alter the hwm
(if you manually allocate an extent). If I deallocate space from an object,
I will alter the rows in fet$ and uet$ but not update the hwm. Make sense?

As for the ATOMICITY of the transaction, this is usually used to describe the changes to data of interest. I don't think it is used to describe any underlying data dictionary changes. Thus the answer is Yes (for 99% of the Oracle techies) and No (for the 1% of us who really like to know exactly what is going on under the covers).

Thanks for a great question, it brought up a subject that I had never thought about. Yee-Haw! I learned someting today!

Cheers,
Dan

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Thanks Dan. The gist of your response was that all changes to the data dictionary are immediately commited. Seems to make sense to me. Maybe, thats one reason why one cannot free space below the high water mark. Coz changes to UET$ has been committed, even though the data was rolled back.

I sent an email to one of my senior DBA friends, posing the same question, and he replied with a one liner "To make the transaction as ATOMIC as possible - They either run completely, or not at all". Now, does that mean the Insert, update and delete statements are not ATOMIC? For on a rollback, changes to the data dictionary are commited, whereas the data is rolled back.

Thanks
Raj  

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Take the case of an insert (we'll call tx1), where space allocation is required. As you insert records, the table allocated additional extents
(updating fet$ (free extent table) and uet$ (used extent table) in the data
dictionary). These updates to the data dictionary are implicitly committed, even if you issue an explicit rollback for the insert statement. Imagine if the dd changes are not immediately committed. Let's say another tx (we'll call tx2) needs to allocate an extent in the same datafile. If fet$ contains only a single row for the file requested, then tx1 will have an exclusive lock on the row. tx2 needs to also lock the row exclusively in order to update it. Thus, tx2 would wait until tx1 has completed and released the lock. In the meantime, any transaction that needs to allocate a
new extent in that file will have to wait...and wait...and wait.

A different strategy is to commit the changes to fet$ and uet$ immediately. Then the next tx can access the row and grab space. While this could result in an overallocation of space if the tx is rolled back, it does not block other txs. If space was allocated to an object, and the tx failed, there is a strong probability that this space will be used at some point in the future.

It seems that the tradeoff here is that the access to the data dictionary is
kept to a minimum duration at the expense of periodic space wastage
(initially).

As for the other data dictionary tables, it may be a case of read consistency conflicts. If a long running transaction needs to access a table
definition, but a previous transaction has updated the table definition, but
not committed, which table definition do you use? There are some issues with
definitions not being the same at the start of a transaction and at a later point. As I recall, Oracle terminates the transaction if object definitions change while the transaction is running.

All in all, it makes sense (at least to me) that changes to the data dictionary are immediately committed. Otherwise, the performance and integrity of the system would be comprimised.

Dan Fink

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That raises another doubt. For an simple insert statement, could also update the UET$ or FET$ tables? So, if the purpose was to preserve all changes to the data dictionary, What's different between OBJ$, COL$ and these space management tables?

Thanks
Raj

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