Re: Orawomen

I think this should be moved to the OT list.

Thanks,

Jared

Rodd Holman <roddholman_at_hotpop.com>
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The real key to this issue is not making it a GS requirement, but in getting parents off their butts and being parents. I continually work with my kids, especially my daughters (ages 17,16,12) to be individuals and go for what they like and find interesting. Forget the pop culture and fashion junk you see in the mags and on the tube! I encourage them to be themselves and find contentment in that. This whole "Dork Factor" thing is out of control with the 10-19 age group, especially among girls.

Rodd Holman
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Romans 1:16-17

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 07:54, Rachel Carmichael wrote: Dorky rules :)

It's sad that there isn't a requirement for the science/math activities in the Girl Scouts. The problem is that society in general doesn't show images of science as being "cool" and definitely doesn't show images of women as scientists. Or at least, not enough images.

• Cherie_Machler_at_gelco.com wrote:
  >
  > Dennis,
  >
  > I think that the article is correct that girls and teens are
  > sensitive to
  > the "geek stigma factor". Even in our 10-year-old Girl Scout
  > troop, the
  > girls are already concerned about their images and not being too
  > "dorky".
  > We have many more girls vote for activities involving animals and
  > crafts
  > than activities centered on math and science. The votes are usually
  > about
  > 8 to 1 with only one or two girls voting to do the math or science
  > activities. Pretty sad, especially considering that the Girl Scouts
  > organization tries really hard to push those technical and
  > math/science
  > programs and make them interesting and fun.
  >
  > The 25% number cited in the article for women in the IT sector seems
  > pretty
  > close to the number that we have show up at our local Oracle User's
  > Group
  > meeting. I think that the participation by women in our user's
  > group has increased steadily in the last 10 years.
  >
  > Perhaps more women are drawn to database work than IT in general as
  > it tends to be more administrative than say, programming.
  >
  > I'd also have to say that in many cases, being an Oracle DBA can be
  > pretty
  > grueling for those with families and for women with families in
  > particular.
  >
  > Cherie Machler
  > Oracle DBA
  > Gelco Information Network
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > DENNIS WILLIAMS
  > <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFE To: Multiple recipients
  > of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
  > TOUCH.COM> cc:
  > Sent by: Subject: Orawomen
  > root_at_fatcity.com
  > 01/07/03 05:11 PM
  > Please respond to ORACLE-L
  >
  >
  > Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The
  > consensus was
  > that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a good thing. Here
  > is an
  > article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in
  > IT is decreasing.
  > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501
  > Any theories?
  >
  > Dennis Williams
  > DBA, 40%OCP
  > Lifetouch, Inc.
  > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
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