In addition, there is also the "IOUG Day: Seeing the Big Picture" on Sunday,
November 10th, from 1pm-4:30pm. Rich Niemiec and Matthew Szulik (CEO of Red
Hat) will keynote, and then there will be many concurrent expert panels and
an "Oracles of Oracle" panel. The day is filled with people from the user
community, and many are on the Oracle-L list.
http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/sanfrancisco/conference/index.html?ioug.ht
ml gives full details.
As for the rest of OracleWorld, I couldn't tell which presenters were from
Oracle Corporation from the web page.
One more for the ORACLE-L list: on Monday night there will be "Hackers
Night" - contests for DBAs and programmers with pizza and beer. I've not
been to one like this sponsored by Oracle, but hopefully it will be
enjoyable.
-Ari
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Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:14 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Ok everyone:
<TIM GORMAN TAG>
<RANT>
As a member of the OW Conference Team, and I Don't work for Oracle, there
are approximately 80 presentations from Oracle "Customers" as they call
them. Yes it used to be a higher amount, however, Oracle is using OW as a
marketing show for their products. If you want "Technical" training, come
to IOUG in Orlando next year. Or even better, submit an abstract for
2004!!!
</RANT>
</TIM GORMAN TAG>
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:49 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Get together at OOW
and you do, of course, work for a major customer of Oracle.
You have never sounded like an Oracle shill at any presentation of
yours that I have attended. :)
There are non-Oracle employees who present. It's harder and harder to
get papers accepted, I sometimes feel as if they look at the abstract a
user submits and think "hm, good topic, let's get one of our people to
do it".
Rachel
- Jeremiah Wilton <jwilton_at_speakeasy.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Connor McDonald wrote:
>
> > Does anyone remember the days when there were
> > non-Oracle people allowed to speak at OpenWorlds ? You
> > know, there were actually presentations that didn't
> > sound like you had accidentally dropped into a
> > car-salesman's convention
>
> I have spoken at OOW for the last three years, and I have never
> worked
> for Oracle. Hopefully, I have never sounded like a shill for Oracle.
> If anything, I derive perverse pleasure from making fun of Oracle in
> my presentations, just to see if I can get myself uninvited next
> year.
>
> It is true, that presenters are predominantly Oracle employees, and
> major Oracle customers and partners. This limits the number of
> presentations having technical merit. I only attend OOW to present
> papers, to meet you all, and then only if admission is free.
>
> --
> Jeremiah Wilton
> http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
>
>
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Connor
> >
> > --- Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Not this year... we have several highly visible apps
> > > going live
> > > anywhere from 10/31 through 11/8 (well, they were
> > > all scheduled for
> > > 10/31, all the database group's work is done but the
> > > developers..) and
> > > while I am not the production DBA (a refreshing
> > > change), I still don't
> > > think be away the first few weeks is advisable.
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > --- John Kanagaraj <john.kanagaraj_at_hds.com> wrote:
> > > > Jared,
> > > >
> > > > Count me in as I live in San Jose, and will drop
> > > in on any agreed
> > > > date.
> > > > Gerardo Molina (of SF, still on this list?) and
> > > self pulled together
> > > > a group
> > > > of illustrious personalities that even included
> > > Steve Adams (and the
> > > > Goddess
> > > > of course!)
> > > >
> > > > It would be a pleasure to meet you after all these
> > > years!
> > > > John Kanagaraj
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com
> > > [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:19 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject: Get together at OOW
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear list,
> > > > >
> > > > > Though I won't be attending OOW, I will be in
> > > San Francisco during
> > > > > those same dates ( 11/10 - 11/15), just a couple
> > > miles from the
> > > > > Moscone Center where OOW is held.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any plans yet among list members to
> > > get together one
> > > > > evening? I think Monday is spoken for myself,
> > > but it would be nice
> > > > > to meet a few list members another evening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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