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Martin,
The cost of owning Oracle is NOT something to be overlooked, but not something to be scared about. In your case since the client is somewhat adamant about using SQL*Server have the local MicroSlop sales droid come up with the acquisition and support costs for SQL. And make sure he/she quotes it with all of the add-ons that Oracle provides as part of the package, like MicroSoft's equivalent to OEM. We did that with MS and IBM some months ago. Was that ever a surprise Oracle did come out more expensive at first blush but by the time the week was over they were all just about even (Oracle was a couple thousand $ cheaper due to the way the quotes were written).
Dick Goulet
____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Martin Kendall" <mkendall_at_oracle-rescue.com> Date: 9/23/2002 2:53 PM
Hi Dennis,
They have 5 databases, dating back to 7.1 and up to 8.1.7
They also have some very complex Oracle Forms and Reports.
What they do not realise at the moment is the amount of work they will have to put in to convert the Apps. AND retrain the 4-5 members of staff who are more scientists than DP professional types.
The data extraction and migration itself should not be a problem.
The "Oracle costs a lot of money to licence" story has worried them quite a bit.
Martin
-----Original Message-----
WILLIAMS
Sent: 23 September 2002 21:49
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Martin - Thanks for the clarification, but this prompts more questions.
Is
there a single database involved that multiple clients share the use of,
or
are you the vendor of a product that sits atop a database, but each
client
has their own database installed at their location. If it is the latter,
then the correct answer would be for them to keep ported to both Oracle
and
SQL Server.
My experience has been that Microsoft tries to arrange it so that if
you
have a Microsoft front-end (.NET or VB), interface to the database will
be
much easier.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:27 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi Dennis,
Personally I would like them not to move.
Apart from all the Platform issues, they don't have ANY experience in
.NET
architecture and they only think it will be easier to administer the DB
because they do not have any experienced Oracle DBA's in their employ.
I am struggling to understand how they can possibly think of future-proofing their systems AND at the same time become a 100% Microsoft site.
Martin
-----Original Message-----
WILLIAMS
Sent: 23 September 2002 20:39
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Martin - If I understand your first statement, the database is now on
Oracle
and you are writing a paper on why they should move it to MS SQL Server.
If
this is true, and given your other statements about the client, I would
think you could get plenty of reasons from the Microsoft web site. Or
did
you mean to say you are trying to give them reasons not to move?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hello all. I need to provide a one page report on why it may be
beneficial for an organisation with light usage, small DB to move
from Oracle to SQL Server. Their request is purely due to
having a recognition of their charity status by Microsoft and therefore being able to get everything
at a much reduced price.
It is bad enough that they do not have experienced Oracle DBA's on site,
now it seems that they are attracted by the apparent ease of use /
setup/
Graphical everything.
They are even looking at adopting the same development technology as one
of
their main benefactors as this may help them
win further funding from such a benefactor. I am talking .NET and VB.
I am also asked to phrase my paper from the point of "future proofing"
their
business technology.
I am struggling with the agnostic approach when taking into account the concept of "vendor lock-in".
It seems that cost is everything. But they will need to accept that
cost is
not just what you pay
for the base product.
People, I am not really interested in a "religious war" on this - no
doubt
such discussion types
have appeared on this List before. All I am asking for is pointers to
any
ref. material that you may know of.
Happy days !
Martin
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