I used to work with Jared. He just has 'The Gift'.
For those of us who are mere mortals it takes a little
longer :-)
- Alex <axs_at_m-net.arbornet.org> wrote:
> You must be pretty smart then. I wonder why rates
> for java are not $6/hr
> seeing that it only takes a week to learn.
> You could probably say any language is easy to
> learn; it is just ifs,
> elses, and loops.
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2002 Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
>
> > It ain't that tough. We're not talking about
> taking a programming
> > class without any experience, I've done a bit of
> it before.
> >
> > Learning all the API's, etc.: that would take some
> time.
> >
> > The language? It isn't that difficult, though I
> would be
> > hard put to write any at the moment. The job I
> was going
> > to use Java on was at Enron, and we all know what
> happened
> > to that.
> >
> > It's been a year since I took the class, and I
> *much* prefer
> > Perl. It can run circles around Java for most
> stuff.
> >
> > Jared
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex <axs_at_m-net.arbornet.org>
> > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > 05/02/2002 08:23 AM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> >
> >
> > It took you a week to learn it? Then you obviously
> do not know it.
> > Syntax is one thing design is another. I would
> love to know what you
> > learned in that week.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jared Still wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hold on Lisa!
> > >
> > > Java is not complex. It's a very simple
> language
> > > actually. It took me a week to learn it, though
> I'm
> > > not using it now: I much prefer Perl.
> > >
> > > Getting a handle on all of the libraries and
> API's is
> > > another story, but Java as a language is pretty
> simple.
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:14, Koivu, Lisa
> wrote:
> > > > You have a point Chris, but pl/sql is nowhere
> near as complex as an OO
> > > > language like java or C++, IMHO. I agree with
> Tom that pl/sql can be
> > > > learned fairly easily in comparison to the
> many other choices out
> > there.
> > > > However, it takes a bit of database savvy to
> do it correctly. (Not
> > much
> > > > tho)
> > > >
> > > > I was amazed in my "database" class in college
> that the same people
> > failing
> > > > the simple entity-relationship modeling
> portion of the class that had
> > aced
> > > > the Op Systems and networking classes we took.
> I nearly failed both
> > > > classes, they were so complex. I was the
> teacher's pet in the db
> > class
> > > > because I asked him questions that made him
> think, and he sometimes
> > > > couldn't answer. (And I had to wear a skirt -
> night student, straight
> > from
> > > > work.)
> > > >
> > > > What's easy for who is dependent on the
> person's strengths.
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Koivu
> > > > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Grabowy, Chris
> [SMTP:cgrabowy_at_fcg.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002
> 1:14 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of
> list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject: RE: pl/sql is
> INTERPRETED?
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO, I don't believe that you can
> "properly" learn PL/SQL in a very
> > > > > short period of time, or for that matter,
> any other language.
> > > > >
> > > > > I attended Steve Feuerstein's presentation
> at MAOP-AOTC conference,
> > and
> > > > > he tore into many real-life examples of
> PL/SQL. Supposedly, these
> > were
> > > > > written
> > > > > by developers that knew what they were
> doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Granted, if a smart developer sits down and
> reads Feuerstein's
> > Learning
> > > > > PL/SQL and Best Practices books, then
> perhaps they will be good. But
> > who
> > > > > the hell has free time? There is no free
> time on any project or
> > effort
> > > > > that
> > > > > I know of!! I'm struggling with trying to
> improve my Oracle DBA
> > skills,
> > > > > plus some developers skills so I can speak
> their language when they
> > blow
> > > > > out
> > > > > OPEN_CURSORS or something. My head is
> swimming in the stupid
> > technical
> > > > > alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath,
> SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB,
> > BC4J,
> > > > > JDBC,
> > > > > SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA,
> IIOP...and don't ask me
> > what
> > > > > all
> > > > > those mean, because I can't keep them
> straight. But I do keep
> > hearing
> > > > > that
> > > > > XML is going to put me out of a job, so I
> guess I should learn
> > > > > that...whatever that is. Isn't XML an
> add-on, or extension, or
> > something
> > > > > to
> > > > > DML???
> > > > >
> > > > > Now where the heck did I hide that bottle...
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lisa,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are right about the debate between
> PL/SQL & Java (or anything
> > else
> > > > > outside of the db).
> > > > >
> > > > > In my mind, the deciding factor (and
> something that is *never*
> > mentioned)
> > > > > is
> > > > > what programming langauage the organization
> is satisfied
> > with/settled
> > > > > upon.
>
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