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Re:RE: Developer access in test database

From: <dgoulet_at_vicr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:03:26 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.004431F8.20020412060326@fatcity.com>


Tom,

    That's all well & good. I believe in keeping people be they developers or end users out of matters that they cannot do anything about or just plain have no reason to be mucking about in, like SYS. Now would someone please tell all of those third party apps folks the same thing. I've got another third party application, called Maximo from MRO to install & guess where they want to go first? You got it, SYS. Why, becuase they want their own views buiilt on all of those deep down tables that SYS owns. I'm geting pretty p&^%ed at these clowns who are constantly telling me that they have tons of experience & know what their doing. It figures though, this one supports MicroSlop Sql too. GOD, I really hope that federal court decides to break up Gates & co.

Dick Goulet

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Author: "Mercadante; Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us>
Date:       4/12/2002 5:33 AM

Jeff,  

Developers should only have access to stuff they need. This does not include SYS stuff. Basically, do you want to be restoring the development database just because somebody was playing with something? Further, who will be blamed for the developers not being able to do their job while you are restoring the db - the developer who screwed it up, or you?  

I'm all for giving developers tons of privs in the dev database - up to a point. You need to protect yourself from them ruining your day.  

To answer your question, I grant s,i,u,d to the schema tables directly to the user to that they can create stored procs if need be. I then migrate stored procs to the dev schema as need be.  

Hope this helps

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional

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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

In our test databases, I have always granted select,insert,update,delete any table to the developers.  

While yesterday, one updated a "sys" table.  

Be non-production, I always felt if it is destroyed can always be recreated.  

What table privileges do you grant in "test".  

Jeffrey Beckstrom
Database Administrator
Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority 1240 W. 6th Street
Cleveland, Ohio 44113
(216) 781-4204

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<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002>Jeff,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002>Developers should only have access to stuff
they need.&nbsp; This does not include SYS stuff.&nbsp; Basically, do you want to be restoring the development database just because somebody was playing with something?&nbsp; Further, who will be blamed for the developers not being able to do their job while you are restoring the db - the developer who screwed it up, or you?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002>I'm all for giving developers tons of privs
in the dev database - up to a point.&nbsp; You need to protect yourself from them ruining your day.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002>To answer your question, I grant s,i,u,d to
the schema tables directly to the user to that they can create stored procs if need be.&nbsp; I then migrate stored procs to the dev schema as need be.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=487251912-12042002>Hope this helps</SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Tom Mercadante</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial>Oracle Certified
Professional</FONT> </P>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT   face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jeffrey Beckstrom   [mailto:JBECKSTROM_at_gcrta.org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38   AM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B>   Developer access in test database<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>   <DIV>In our test databases, I have always granted select,insert,update,delete   any table to the developers.</DIV>

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  <DIV>While yesterday, one updated a "sys" table.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Be non-production, I always felt if it is destroyed can always be 
  recreated.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>What table privileges do you grant in "test".</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Jeffrey Beckstrom<BR>Database Administrator<BR>Greater Cleveland Regional

  Transit Authority<BR>1240 W. 6th Street<BR>Cleveland, Ohio 44113<BR>(216)   781-4204</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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