Oracle-L: RE: RE: Oracle vs. MS SQL

From: Brian McGraw <brian.mcgraw_at_infinity-insurance.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:40:41 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0043FBF7.20020409104041@fatcity.com>

MSRP. Of course, the actual price depends on which part of the fiscal year you catch the sales weasels in... :)

Brian

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Sorry, my mistake.

Just checked the Oracle store: 40k per CPU for EE.

Yikes!

Jared

DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
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Jared - The list prices we were able to find were 
                 Standard Edition Unlimited users $15,000 per CPU
                 Enterprise Edition Unlimited users $40,000 per CPU

This is list, your organization may be able to get a better deal. Needless
to say, for new projects we have been looking VERY hard to see if SE will
suffice.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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CPU pricing for enterprise edition is $15k per CPU.

$40k is undoubtedly with a number of options, advanced replication, partitioning, ...

Jared

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Gene - The $40K is the Enterprise Edition pricing as I recall. Can you move
to Standard Edition? If you are using EE features, then chances are that

MS
SQL won't do the job. Also you can point out the eWeek benchmark between Oracle and MS SQL.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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OK, timing is impeccable. My boss just got the Oracle Bill, new licensing
model $40k per processor for web based apps and flipped. I have some MSCE's
working here pushing him to switch to SQL*server. Does anyone know where
I
can find reasons to stay w/ Oracle? Some things already mentioned here,

but
the MSCE's would say this list is bias, go figure :)

Does SQLServer 2000 support blobs, row level locking, etc?

Thanks,
Gene
PS. Do I move on to another Oracle shop or switch to SQLserver? OMG, the
thought of working only on windoze makes me puke. I know this answer!

>>> regdba_at_yahoo.com 04/05/02 14:11 PM >>> There are some technical points worth considering. For example, SQL Server does not have true row level locking. It's table level locking, or some really creative SQL to fake it. This has a direct impact on scalability and performance.

DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
> Oops, a couple of items I didn't make clear:
> - I was never able to compare the cost of Oracle
> support with the cost of
> Microsoft support. Oracle prices annual maintenance,
> which includes the
> right to upgrade to a new version of Oracle. MS
> prices out per incident or
> for all MS software at a location. If you can
> estimate the number of
> calls/month, then you could compare.
> - Oracle DBA salary vs. MS SQL DBA salary. I feel
> the difference is
> primarily due to less experience, training. I find
> it ironic that this
> probably causes less reliability for Microsoft
> (Microsoft has even
> complained that organizations don't assign their
> best people to administer
> MS products), yet then Microsoft brags about how you
> can save money because
> their people ar cheaper.
>
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> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:14 AM
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>
>
> I recently prepared a total cost comparison between
> Oracle and MS SQL. I
> appreciate the support several people on this list
> provided me. In return,
> here are some of the main points I learned.
> - For smaller systems, investigate whether Oracle
> Standard Edition will
> meet your requirements. For example, most people
> assume that to use
> replication, you need EE. For our purposes the basic
> replication that comes
> with SE was adequate.
> - Microsoft also offers SQL in both EE and SE
> versions. Thanks very much
> to Gints Plivna for providing me a
> feature-by-feature comparison between the
> different versions. MS SE is not equivalent to
> Oracle SE. In most cases, the
> more valid comparison is between MS SQL EE and
> Oracle SE.
> - For maintenance, there are two parts to
> consider: Upgrade privilege and
> support. Oracle bundles both of these together. Make
> sure Microsoft is
> priced with Software Assurance, which gives upgrade
> privilege. Microsoft
> prices support by the incident or by the location
> (all Microsoft software).
> I was never able to get a comparison.
> - MS SQL EE with Software Assurance is actually
> more expensive than Oracle
> SE. Priced by the CPU.
> - Since pricing is by CPU and RISC systems offer
> higher database
> performance (according to many people on this list)
> and Oracle offers higher
> performance in a head-to-head comparison (according
> to the recently
> published Eweek benchmark), I compared Oracle SE on
> a 1-CPU Sun box with MS
> SQL on a 2-CPU Intel box. The Intel box was cheaper,
> but those two CPUs
> really kill you on licensing! In my mind I am
> convinced that both setups
> could offer equivalent performance.
> - I was provided figures that the average DBA
> salary (including health,
> vacation, etc.) on Oracle is $85,000 and on MS SQL
> $68,500. A lading
> industry analyst stated that the main reason MS SQL
> sites have less
> reliability is because there are few processes to
> ensure high availability,
> high performance. Developing these processes in the
> MS SQL world is more
> trial-and-error while these are well-documented in
> the Oracle world. I would
> add that several authors that participate in this
> list have created that
> documentation.
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
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