Re:RE: Production Oracle DBA Needed in Rochester, Minnesota

Any lawyers on the list? This sounds like fertile grounds for an age discrimination suit.

Dick Goulet
The old grey haired one, if you can find the hair that is.

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Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com>
Date:       3/22/2002 12:00 PM

Here's a good one - I interviewed for a job THREE TIMES at a pharmaceutical company in Miami. quite a haul, but would have been a great job. I got the final call saying, They are willing to pay you $xx if you attend ONE MORE interview (people-type, I had passed all the tech interviews) and work in Downtown Miami - 50 miles away. I turned it down.

I later spoke to the recruiter about it and he said I was too young for the position in their opinion. They wanted a senior dba that looked senior. I have a few grey hairs, but please! That was a first, and probably a LAST.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:29 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Production Oracle DBA Needed in Rochester, Minnesota
>
> Brian - Hmm. . . let me see, you started work at 8 years old, so even with
> 20 years of experience you still meet the "under 30" image they had in
> mind
> when they advertised the position. The nature of the questions certainly
> sound slanted in that direction. But maybe I'm just being a paranoid DBA
> with over 20 years experience.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:33 AM
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>
>
>
> (hope this answers your question Lisa)
>
> Alter session set RANT_SWITCH = ON;
>
> I interviewed for a DBA position there recently. I was not able to give
> my
> best interview because I had the worst cold I've had in several years
> (cough, dizzy, slight temperature, etc.). So in there defense, and mine,
> they did not see me at my best.
>
> My issue was with the interview questions. I must have answered 10 "what
> if" personal conflict questions. It got to the point that I should have
> asked "are personal conflicts a problem here". They also ask questions
> like "what don't you like about your job", "what was the worst recovery
> you ever had that was a bad situation", and "how do you feel about being
> beeped at 3 in the morning". I don't know about you all, but I LOVE what
> I
> do, no recover is a bad situation when you KNOW that you have what it
> takes
> to do recover (both files and experience), and after 20 years in this
> industry I accept and understand the requirement of the 3 in the morning
> calls. Hell, some of the best fun and most rewarding things I've done
> have
> been a result of 3 a.m. calls. I just couldn't shake the feeling they
> didn't trust or believe me.
>
> They also didn't ask what I consider some basic but important questions
> for
> any DBA. Like: How to detect, diagnose, and recover from an instance
> hang;
> What do you do when a user calls and says the system is slow or that they
> can't connect; How to capture application SQL errors from the db side
> when
> the application is not providing a quality ORA-nnnnn message.
>
> I felt they had a bit to much of the "Best of the Best of the Best"
> attitude as far as the Mayo Clinic goes. Yes they have done great work in
> the field of medicine, and I commend them for that. But there are many
> great medical organizations and no "one" is the best.
>
> Lastly, it's importaint to remember that Rochester is a company town.
> About 85,000 people live there. And from what I gathered, 25,000 of them
> work for Mayo. If you go there be prepared to think, live, breath, and
> die
> (at) Mayo.
>
> As Dennis Miller says "that's just my opinion I could be wrong "
>
> I wish them well.
>
>
> Alter session set RANT_SWITCH = OFF;
>
> Brian P. MacLean
> Oracle DBA, OCP8i
>
>
>
>
>
> "Koivu, Lisa"
>
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> "'Brian_P_MacLean_at_eFunds.Com'"
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> 03/22/02 09:09 AM Subject: RE: Production
> Oracle DBA Needed in Rochester,
> Minnesota
>
>
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>
>
> Brian, you can't say that and not say why... is the Mayo a sweatshop?
> Please do share, even if it's off the list. I used to live in Minneapolis
> and miss it terribly.
>
> Lisa Koivu
> Oracle Database Baby Oven.
> Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL
> 954-935-4117
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian_P_MacLean_at_eFunds.Com
> [SMTP:Brian_P_MacLean_at_eFunds.Com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:03 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: Production Oracle DBA Needed in Rochester,
> Minnesota
> >
> >
> > Can you say "Mayo Clinic"......Be afraid, be very afraid (IMAO)
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > OraStaff
> >
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> > 03/22/02 05:23
> >
> > AM
> >
> > Please respond
> >
> > to ORACLE-L
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Position: Oracle DBA
> > Location: Rochester, Minnesota
> > Salary Range: 65-75K- maybe more
> >
> > Description:
> > This client company-a leader in its' field, needs an Oracle DBA to
> provide
> > database support.
> > This position includes support of all aspects of the Oracle relational
> > database product (ASE)
> > on primarily SUN Unix platforms.
> >
> > The key is depth of production database experience (as opposed
> > to development), knowledge of core Oracle infrastructure and the pieces
> > that make up the instances.
> >
> > Tasks will include, but are not limited to: capacity planning,
> > installation, upgrading, monitoring, performance and tuning, responding
> to
> > trouble calls,
> > writing administrative scripts in Unix shell languages and SQL/PL-SQL,
> > backup and recovery,
> > and maintaining security in the institution's Oracle environments.
> > Sharing a 24x7 on-call rotation with the other members of the team is
> also
> > expected.
> > This is an interesting position with a solid organization with terrific
> > benefits.
> > *They need a Production DBA not an Development side DBA.
> >
> > This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
> parties
> > please.
> >
> > Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or
> need
> > sponsorship.
> >
> > Requirements:
> > *Bachelor's degree in computer science, related field or equivalent
> > experience.
> > *Three or more years of supporting a multi-server Oracle environment.
> > *Strong analytical and problem solving skills.
> > *Demonstrated proficiency with the HP or SUN Unix operating system.
> > *Replication is not required but a big plus.
> > * Must be a U.S. citizen or perm. resident with excellent English.
> >
> > For immediate consideration, please email your resume as an attachment
> > to:
> >
> > OraStaff, Inc.
> > Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
> > Phone: 1-800-549-8502. (*Please do not call if you need sponsorship)
> > Please Use Job Code: One/DBA/Rochester/Diane
> >
> > I pay referral fees.
> > So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
> > qualified/interested
> > in the
> > posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Law
> >
> >
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