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Hi
Ken...
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Do they have an internet connection?
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It
goes a long way... And, as I mentioned in my other email... This person
has been pointed at the exact manual on numerous occasions but chooses not to do
any reading... He needs to post more questions along the lines of "Where
do I look to find the answer to..." and "I looked in the xxx manual but I don't
understand ..." This is not a random whack at a poster who asks the
occasional question... This rant is directed at a list
abuser...
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Sunrise DBA
[mailto:sunrise_at_san.rr.com]Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re:
RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
Often, it isn't all that easy to find what you
need in "the manual". I have a enough Oracle books to make the springs in my
car sag, and sometimes, the answer just isn't there. Mostly yes,
but sometimes no. Usually, I have to go through 3 or 4 books before I
find an answer I can use. So, if the poor listee only has one or two books,
perhaps he doesn't have one that has the answer. Maybe you senior,
high income guys can send him your spare books :-) Or better yet, put a
faq together with a book list.
Ken Hitchcox
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:40
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Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally
RE: PL/SQL)
No offense to
anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant. The list is for
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I
can easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM
questions, and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems
deciphering the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba
code samples page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search
engines) and I help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a
member, as do all the other members of the list. Everybody on that
list is extremely gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with
questions get the help they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are
you stupid / lazy". I am hoping that I can get the same kind of help
here, when I am ready for it, that I and others give on other
lists.
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[mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent:
Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE:
PL/SQL)
The problem is that if you always ask the group for help,
you never learn where the information is within the manuals or other
reference documentation and the group also gets cluttered with
trivia.
I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I
personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the
"...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most
frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the
list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who
will all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy
people and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm
sure you can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the
person next to you.
Cheers,
Craig.
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rabbit_at_emirates.net.ae [<A
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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to
help fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of
your collegues , what is the format of this command,
or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to <FONT
size=2>look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right
lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that.
So why dont u lighten up dude.
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