OT: Yet Another Off Topic Discussion

From: Johnston, Tim <TJohnston_at_quallaby.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:57:14 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003F6747.20020121143122@fatcity.com>

My own 2 cents... Stating a viewpoint such as this and then saying "do not reply to this" is just not acceptable... This topic has been discussed on the list innumerable times over the years and it is always a hot bed of

discussion...  And, it always seems to reach the same conclusion...  In
summary, keep it on topic but the occasional OT post is tolerated...
Anything more then that should not be done or moved to the OT list...  So,

here we are yet again... And, here is MY opinion... I view this list as a community... Not just a technical list... Many people on this list have been on for years and enjoy to occasionally have some fun... I personally enjoy the occasional joke or OT thread... It gives the list personality and allows me feel like I am getting to know the other people on the list... That is why I am on this list and not some of the other discussion forums... Some other forums operate as you desire... I avoid those... The reason is that I want to enjoy my job... And the occasional laugh I get from this list has more then once made a miserable day better... If I wanted to purely technical list I would go to another forum... But I don't.... I like this list AS IS... And, if I feel that I am getting to much email, the delete key works great...

Tim

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:10 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hello all,

My 2 cents' worth:

Far too much time is spent by a number of users in the Oracle List sending e-mail of no worth whatsoever. Half the msgs I read are what charitably might be called 'chat'. I understand that there is an off-line site for 'chat' - why not use it and stop mucking up the e-mail waves with crap. Even a small drop in aimless e-mails would be appreciated; 90%+ directed, professional queries and replies would be wonderful.

Please do not reply to this e-mail; this is my one-time attempt to bring about a positive change.

Thank you,

Paul Sherman
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Love is all you need.

• Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
  > or, of course, the answer to life, the universe and everything is?
  >
  > --- Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com> wrote:
  > >
  > > If the question is "Which episode of Star Trek was 'The Trouble
  > with
  > > Tribbles'", then yes. ;)
  > >
  > > Jared
  > >
  > > On Sunday 20 January 2002 01:30, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
  > > > Yep. And we also found logoff-triggers in 8i to be useful for the
  > > same
  > > > (and additional) purposes.
  > > >
  > > > But if I had to guess, I'm sure the answer would be 42 :-).
  > > >
  > > > Mogens
  > > >
  > > > Chaim.Katz_at_Completions.Bombardier.com wrote:
  > > > >Raj,
  > > > >Maybe another option would be to "audit session" for the
  > database.
  > > For
  > > > >each logon/logoff you would see the logical/physical reads and
  > > the
  > > > > logical writes ( in dba_audit_session) by Oracle username (or
  > > > > osusername). Chaim
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >"Aponte, Tony" <AponteT_at_hsn.net>@fatcity.com on 01/16/2002
  > > 06:15:24 PM
  > > > >
  > > > >Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
  > > > >
  > > > >Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
  > > > >cc:
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >Then you're in luck. I'd recommend starting with Oracle
  > Response
  > > Time
  > > > >Analysis from www.orapub.com. Although it won't give you
  > exactly
  > > what
  > > > > you need, it will help you get to the next step. Once you
  > > understand a
  > > > > session's response time components, it's a short hop to
  > figuring
  > > out the
  > > > > V$SESSTAT statistics that make up the CPU time,
  > physical/logical
  > > I/O
  > > > > operations and memory footprint.
  > > > >
  > > > >HTH
  > > > >Tony
  > > > >-----Original Message-----
  > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:54 PM
  > > > >To: Aponte, Tony; ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >Database Load ... is the main target at this time ...
  > > > >
  > > > >Thanks Tony,
  > > > >
  > > > >Raj
  > > > >______________________________________________________
  > > > >
  > > > >Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc.
  > > > >
  > > > >Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com
  > > > >
  > > > >Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that
  > > of ESPN
  > > > >Inc.
  > > > >
  > > > >QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an
  > art!
  > > > >-----Original Message-----
  > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:53 PM
  > > > >To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
  > > > >Cc: Rajendra.Jamadagni_at_espn.com
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >Raj, sorry for me being confused. Are you trying to measure
  > what
  > > the
  > > > >application executable is doing outside the database (i.e..
  > host
  > > system
  > > > >load) or the activity inside the database (i.e.. per
  > > user/program/module
  > > > >DB stats)?
  > > > >
  > > > >Tony
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