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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Wait a minute. I never said it was bad for companies to make
money. My past posts on microsoft should have made that clear. If
Oracle can get away with it, then hey, more power to them. My point
was that they are trying to make this look oh so nice by saying "it's
improved! Look at the hoops you have to go to get the OCM, they have to be
good". When really all the new levels do is require more cash for the
qualified people and allow bookworms to advance to a second level without
experience. Fortuneately I believe in the wonders of market forces.
If enough people say, "yeah right, I got your OCM right here", it'll die.
If not, then when I go for certificatinon, I'll see you in OCA
101... :)
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orantdba [mailto:orantdba_at_netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, January 10,
2002 10:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: The OCP bar is being raised
Hmmm,Imagine that, a
publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I am
shockeddismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.
Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies
that are not trying to make money?I want to make sure that I don't go to
work for them, or learn their products.John :-)<A
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href="mailto:Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com">Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com wrote:
I'd say the cost is being raised. Look at the
requirements for each. You can't just take the OCM exam. No we
would first have to get the OCA. Whether or not we need the entry
level cert we have to have it. Then, and only then, can we take the
OCP. Then and only then, can we take the OCM and that is after we take
these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed. So someone the caliber of Steve
Adams or Jared Still, has to spend money in a class that they could probably
teach from memory before they can get certification and that is after
getting 2 other certs that have no value to them. Call me a cynic, but
to me, this is nothing but a money grab.
From the website:
--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams
required-- for the Oracle Associate level of your
selected job role. Typically, --two exams are
required; the first one can be taken via the Internet, <FONT
size=2>--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. By
--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way
toward achieving the-- Oracle Certified Professional
credential.
--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass
all required exams --in your selected job role,
including those at the Associate level.
--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an
Oracle --Certified Professional. Additionally,
achieving your OCM credential --requires attending
two advanced level Oracle University courses from <FONT
size=2>--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum
exam.
--Chris
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: The OCP bar is being
raised
Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about
time:<FONT
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size=2>---Introducing two new levels of Oracle
Certified Professional (OCP) Achievement <FONT
size=2> A recent *IDC report on IT Education
and Training Services quoted databaseprofessionals
and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of
ProfessionalCertification. And in an October survey
from *crn.com on Certification, 58% ofrespondents
said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle
CertifiedProfessionals-Database Administrators.
To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new
levels of professionalachievement to DBAs (and soon
to be released to Application and Java Developers<FONT
size=2>worldwide):
The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level
Oracle qualificationrequiring successful completion
of two exams.The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an
advanced qualification for OracleCertified
Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a practicum
examon-sitee at an Oracle University education
center. Visit<A
target=_blank
href="http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html">http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html
for more information
IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001<FONT
size=2>crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct
2001<FONT
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