Re: RE: database administration questions

and is incorrect in the first place!

Bill Gentry
DBA
Allina Health System
Minneapolis, MN 55403
612-775-1190
gentry_at_allina.com
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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:50 PM

> A problem with RTFM is when the manual is over 10,000 pages long.
>
> Regards,
> Patrice Boivin
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:15 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: RE: database administration questions
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> Yeah, once they find out this job isn't a cakewalk, they vanish.
>
> For those that:
>
> * live for challenge
> * are afraid of nothing and not intimidated by complexity
> * make that, 'love complexity' ;)
> * can't forget about a problem until it's fixed
> * willing to RTFM til they drop
> * design and execute tests to understand how things work
> * RTFM some more
> * drive technology. Hey, there's more to a good DBA than databases.
> * did I mention RTFM?
> * learn from their mistakes
> * admit they make mistakes
> * RTFM to minimize mistakes
>
> All others need not apply.
>
> Jared
>
> "No guts, no glory" ;)
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> "Kimberly
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> You need to find some new cooks then.
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> dgoulet_at_vicr.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:50 AM
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> In our shop we've tried the cross training tact. Problem was that those
> who
> accepted the challenge could not take the heat, so they left the kitchen.
> Damn!!!
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: "CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)" <clchan_at_nie.edu.sg>
> Date: 12/26/2001 4:50 PM
>
> I quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle programmer
> but wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss whether
> I
> could be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need to
> maintain my current systems. Now, I am a database
> administrator-cum-programmer. I support turnkey projects, automate
> processes for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintain
> database
> & support Oracle Applications etc.
>
> Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots of
> interesting things in the process ....
>
> New Bees
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimberly Smith [mailto:ksmith2_at_MYFIRSTLINK.NET]
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:40 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: database administration questions
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> If you work on a site like I do you could always cross
> train. I am always
> looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup. Right
> now
> I use one from
> the Unix team and one from the development team. Its the
> only way I get to
> take vacations and what no. Check with your current DBA
> and
> see if they are
> willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real'
> job. Of course,
> there are some folks who are worried about job security
(or
> are just
> assholes)
> and they would not give you the time of day. You don't
> want
> to learn from
> those folks anyway. The excuse, "I'm too busy" is not
> really valid either.
> Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> dgoulet_at_vicr.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:30 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> With your current background, your more likely to land a
> job
> as a network
> administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database
> position. Access is
> still
> looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't
run
> into any large
> scale
> applications that use it, period. One of my current tasks
> is working with a
> forecasting package that states in the manual that Access
> should only be
> used
> for the demos. Any other application of the package
should
> use Oracle or
> DB2.
> Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who
> don't
> know, don't ask
> further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them)
> won't work with
> Access
> even for the demos. Therefore, I'd suggest staying with
> the
> networking
> world.
> It will be around as long as database administration, if
> not
> longer. Your
> already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco
> certification is no small
> feat. If you really want to move into database admin,
your
> probably looking
> at
> 2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay
> your dues.
>
> BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than
> fixing a network
> outage,
> to boot.
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: LBanzali_at_aol.com
> Date: 12/23/2001 11:15 PM
>
> Hi!
> I'm looking into getting into the field of Database
> Administrating. Right
> now, I have experience with MS Access and have created
> several databases for
> companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.
>
> I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical
> step for me, I
> would
> think, would be in database field. However, I also have
> some networking
> knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into the
> advantages of both
> fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask
or
> where to get my
> answers. But, here they go:
>
> Questions for a Database Administrator:
>
> 1) What is your typical workday like?
> 2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
> 3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
> 4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take
> classes? Where would
> you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
> 5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual
> Basic, etc.)?
> 6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
> 7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft,
> Oracle)? If so,
> are there certain books that you recommend to study?
> 8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what specific
> one?
> 9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are
> valuable to learn?
> 10) Are there any associations or other groups that you
> belong to as a DBA?
> 11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
> 12) What companies do you recommed to work for? Know of
> any
> currently
> hiring?
> 13) With my background, what is the best way to advance
and
> work my way into
> a real DBA position?
>
> Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with at
> least some answers
> to some of the questions. I really appreciate your
help!!!
> Please, respond to me at lbanzali_at_aol.com
>
> smiles,
> me
>
> thank you!
>
> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hi!
> <BR>I'm looking into getting into the field of Database
> Administrating.
> &nbsp;Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have
> created several
> databases for companies that I have worked with in the
past
> with Access.
> <BR>
> <BR>I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next
> logical
> step for me, I
> would think, would be in database field. &nbsp;However, I
> also have some
> networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). &nbsp;So, I'm
> looking into the
> advantages of both fields. &nbsp;I have some questions
> &amp;
> I'm not sure
> who to
> ask or where to get my answers. &nbsp;But, here they go:
> &nbsp;
> <BR>
> <BR>Questions for a Database Administrator:
> <BR>
> <BR>1) &nbsp;What is your typical workday like?
> <BR>2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
> <BR>3) What are the most valuable databse programs to
> learn?
> <BR>4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take
> classes?
> &nbsp;Where
> would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles
> area?
> <BR>5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML,
> Visual Basic, etc.)?
> <BR>6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
> <BR>7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications
> (Microsoft, Oracle)? If
> so,
> are there certain books that you recommend to study?
> <BR>8) Is it worth it to get a degree? &nbsp;If so, what
> specific one?
> <BR>9) Are there any other programs or technologies that
> are
> valuable to
> learn?
> <BR>10) Are there any associations or other groups that
you
> belong to as a
> DBA?
> <BR>11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
> <BR>12) What companies do you recommed to work for?
> &nbsp;Know of any
> currently
> hiring?
> <BR>13) With my background, what is the best way to
advance
> and work my way
> into
> a real DBA position?
> <BR>
> <BR>Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with
> at
> least some
> answers
> to some of the questions. &nbsp;I really appreciate your
> help!!!
> <BR>Please, respond to me at lbanzali_at_aol.com
> <BR>
> <BR>smiles,
> <BR>me
> <BR>
> <BR>thank you!</FONT></HTML>
>
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