RE: Operating Systems

Well... I figured I'd put my $0.02 in... I have had some exposure to NT... As a matter of fact, I did Oracle on NT at a dot com for about a year... And to tell you the truth, I hated it... But, I really gave it a honest chance... The first couple of places where I had NT exposure were Unix shops... There was an intense dislike of NT because it was not Unix... But, when I went to the dot com, it was an NT only shop... We discussed moving to Unix for the DB server at a future date but it NT to start... So, I worked with it... I surfed the web looking for tips and tricks... And you want to know why I hate it? I hate it for the exact reasons you guys say it can work well... I agree, with competent NT admins and intelligent choices about what gets installed, NT can be a viable database OS... But, that is the exact problem... I have yet to find a company that views NT as an operating system that needs "careful management"... Everywhere I have been, the NT management has been done by either desktop support people or totally unqualified admins... They never want to "solve" the problem... They just want to reboot... Until companies put the same kind of support into NT that they put into their Unix systems, this will be the case... Ditto for the hardware... Getting the average NT admin to investigate a hardware issue is like pulling teeth...

Tim

PS - I also hated the limitations of the scripting... I was not allowed to install any third party apps on the production server... Which meant I had to do everything with .bat files and the at scheduler... I made it work... But it is definitely not fun...

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

At last! Somebody who speaks my language!

The biggest problem I have found with NT is when people insist on adding this and that and that over there, add this piece of software that overwrites this .dll but hasn't been properly tested.. Poor drivers etc..

Grab an Intel system, fresh off the press.. Install Oracle, set up your network card, set up your database, set up security, open to the network - LEAVE IT ALONE.. you got yourself a pretty damn stable system..

We have a Win2K system here that is used for file storage.. It has two HDs, one with the OS, the other with all files & backups shared across a network. I have NEVER had to reboot this system! Oh sorry I did ONCE when I had to move it's location.

-----Original Message-----
Thomas F
Sent: 15 November 2001 14:11
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

All,

Interesting comments regarding OS selection. Of course, this has been covered in the past at great length.

Let me add my 2 cents.

NT is a very viable option if it is being administered by a competent NT Admin who does not treat the box like a home desktop.

I have been working on NT boxes for two years now, and have seen the worst and best it has to offer. The worst is when it is not respected as a true operating system. The best is when it is managed carefully and with great fore-thought.

I have not experienced *any* of the comments made in this thread - like rebooting every so often. I have very stable, powerfull machines that are being managed by the best NT admins I have every seen, and they are performing very nicely, thank you.

In my opinion, they are a viable platform solution.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I guess that on Intel platform you don't have other choice than Linux and Oracle fo Linux.

Database on NT = highway to hell and you cruise at high speed

JP

On Thu 15. November 2001 13:40, you wrote:
> That leaves NT for shops that require customer support...
>
> Regards,
> Patrice Boivin
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Pruner [SMTP:jan_at_pruner.cz]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:55 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Operating Systems
>
> From our root:
> Don't use Solaris on Intel.
> It's very very unstable and doesn't support too much HW.
>
> JP

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