RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

From: Koivu, Lisa <lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:55:46 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00399545.20010926085526@fatcity.com>

Thanks Mark.

Lisa

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From:   Mark Leith [SMTP:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
Sent:   Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:56 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Subject:        RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

Lisa,
 
As long as there is space on the file system to upload the install files from the CDs to a temp directory on the destination server - just the same as you would if you downloaded the files from OTN- and you tar and ftp, or simply transfer for windows to the Disk1, Disk2 etc. directories, there is no need to actually mount the CD. Once you have installed - simply trash the temp directory with the set-up files in it. I do this all the time, installing from CD images stored on a networked PC that are also used to burn the CDs.. The transfer of the files may take a while, but the install will run fine as it will be running locally to the server.

 
HTH
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 15:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

I meant install in general.  It took forever to do it over a fairly weak network.

Never went in the computer room? Really?? Cool :)  But did someone physically load the cd on the host for you?  Or did you run it from your pc?

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From:   Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130) [SMTP:MATT.ADAMS_at_APPL.GE.COM]
Sent:   Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:45 AM
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Subject:        RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

Are you talking NT only or install in general?  On unix all you need is a decent X-windows package for your PC (Exceed, ChameleonX, Reflection X?, etc).  
I've been here 3 years, installed at least 30 new systems and have never been in any of our computer rooms.

-----Original Message-----
From: Koivu, Lisa [ <mailto:lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com>] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

OK, terminal services?

I agree that install is an exception.  It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host.

-----Original Message-----

From:   Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
Sent:   Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Subject:        RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

This doesn't work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install 8.1.6 without X access.  
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:    (707) 885-2275
Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Koivu, Lisa [ < <mailto:lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com>>] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance  
What's wrong with telnetting in? 
-----Original Message-----

From:   Steven Lembark [SMTP:lembark_at_wrkhors.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:20 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Subject:        Re: Physical access to servers for maintenance  
-- "Smith, Ron L." <rlsmith_at_kmg.com>
> Our hardware people are cracking sown on access to the computer room.
> They have decided the DBA group can do all their work without going to
> the server itself.  This includes Unix and NT server running both Oracle
> and SQL Server. We would have to use VNC Viewer and PC Anywhere.  I am
> trying to put together a list of things we might need to do that would
> make remote admin difficult as well as taking longer.  If you have any
> ideas I would appreciate it.

How about "Your Work"?
Last time I looked it's rather hard to run svrmgrl without access to the command line.  So long as you don't want to start or stop the database this probably won't have any effect. Checking free disk space is also simpler with "df".  You can, perhaps, memorize the nubmber of blocks on every device and compare them to the free space reported by Oracle each morning. Simplest method would be to say "no we don't need it now, what is the pager number of someone we can use if we do need things done?"  Make a point of paging them every time you need something from the shell, day or night.  That person will, I'm sure, be happy to compile a list of the trivial things they've been forced to do that the DBA should have done for themselves at 3am...

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