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- Anjan Thakuria <anjan.thakuria_at_eds.com> wrote:
> I am impressed by both of you guys. I drive a used 97 Altima....
>
> "Gogala, Mladen" wrote:
>
> > Where exactly are you coming from? Beware because me, my Ford F350
> and my
> > faithful pump-action shotgun always have the right of way, $75k car
> or
> > not....
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: satar naghshineh [mailto:satarnag_at_yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:40 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: Rachel - RE: 2nd DBA or ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > way too cynical.
> > >
> > > Thanks! It's this personality (or lack of) that has
> > > made me very sucessful at my age. I was driving a 45k
> > > dollar car (which you rode in) and owned my first
> > > house at age 23. Now at 26, I also own a new Benz
> > > (valued at 75k) and own a second home. I hate to sound
> > > egotistical (isn't that one of the traits of a good
> > > DBA?), but I just want you to know where I am coming
> > > from.
> > >
> > > > One of the few things I learned in the management
> > > > class I took was "you have to train the people
> > > > below you to do your job if you ever want a
> > > > promotion"
> > >
> > > Who wants to work in Management? At my full-time job,
> > > I make close to what my boss makes (he is the CIO) but
> > > without all the responsibility and dealing with
> > > personal problems. To me, if you know the basics of
> > > Business Management and Child Psychology, you'll do
> > > well in Management.
> > >
> > > > If no one else can do what you do, then you can't
> > > > move on to other things.
> > >
> > > Maybe because I'm still young, but I always believe
> > > that your future is in your own hands, not at your
> > > company's discretion. If I don't get what I want, then
> > > I move on to another company. It might change when I
> > > get married and have kids, in which I have to worry if
> > > my child eats Frosted Flakes cereal in the morning or
> > > if he/she goes to school hungry. Until then, I am
> > > free.
> > >
> > > > On the other hand, Satar is a consultant.
> > >
> > > I also have a full time job, but hopefully I can quit
> > > my job soon if this project I'm currently working on
> > > is sucessful. I have goals, and I am close to
> > > self-actualizing them.
> > >
> > > > And looking at the world from that direction, you
> > > > wouldn't want anyone else around to do what you do
> > > > because you'd lose the contract if there were a
> > > > full-timer around (you can have a fulltimer put in
> > > > extra hours without having to pay more)
> > >
> > > Nice philosophy. In a dog-eat-dog world, it's good not
> > > to be a dog! Also, if you live in California, chances
> > > are you are getting paid by the hour, along with
> > > overtime. California residents, you might want to look
> > > into California Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) on the
> > > internet.
> > >
> > > > But as a full-time employee, I want someone else
> > > > around. Because there is ALWAYS too much work for
> > > > one person, at least in my shop.
> > >
> > > The MIS managers or system admins can experience
> > > Oracle Support if they can't get a hold of me.
> > > Unfortunately, they put a lo-jack system (cell phone)
> > > on me, so I am available to them 24/7. To date, after
> > > 1 and half years working for this company, none of my
> > > databases have experienced any problems. I like to
> > > think it's due to my expertise, or maybe I'm wrong,
> > > and it's just luck.
> > >
> > > Also, I hope this doesn't come across mean or
> > > unappreciative, but if you remove yourself from the
> > > list, you will give yourself so much more time to
> > > tackle the work at your shop. As you might have
> > > noticed, I removed myself from the list for 7-8 months
> > > while my company gave me the responsibility of UK's
> > > databases. I needed that time to go to the UK,
> > > configure and tune the datbases, setup an automated
> > > backup and recovery procedure, post application tuning
> > > and provide remote support, along with other things.
> > >
> > > I do have to agree with Christopher Spence, if this is
> > > a in-house Development, or continued developed oracle
> > > application environment, then of course you will need
> > > additional people to help you out.
> > >
> > > I initially replied to this post, because I was given
> > > the same opportunity to bring in another DBA for the
> > > UK. I chose to do the job myself, eliminating a
> > > part-time DBA that was positioned in the UK and also
> > > removing the need for Oracle Support in the UK (which
> > > is extremely expensive compared to the US).
> > >
> > > I made my suggestion based on my previous experiences
> > > as a consultant working for corporate America. You may
> > > call it cynical and paranoid, which is ok because
> > > everyone is entitled to their own views, but this is
> > > my reality.
> > >
> > > > Rachel
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Satar
> > >
> > > PS I'm glad to see you are OK from last week's
> > > attacks. I was praying for everyone in NY and
> > > Washington, especially for you. I hope you and your
> > > family are doing well.
> > >
> > >
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> > > INET: satarnag_at_yahoo.com
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> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:40:25 -0800
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> --- Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > way too cynical.
>
> Thanks! It's this personality (or lack of) that has
> made me very sucessful at my age. I was driving a 45k
> dollar car (which you rode in) and owned my first
> house at age 23. Now at 26, I also own a new Benz
> (valued at 75k) and own a second home. I hate to sound
> egotistical (isn't that one of the traits of a good
> DBA?), but I just want you to know where I am coming
> from.
>
> > One of the few things I learned in the management
> > class I took was "you have to train the people
> > below you to do your job if you ever want a
> > promotion"
>
> Who wants to work in Management? At my full-time job,
> I make close to what my boss makes (he is the CIO) but
> without all the responsibility and dealing with
> personal problems. To me, if you know the basics of
> Business Management and Child Psychology, you'll do
> well in Management.
>
> > If no one else can do what you do, then you can't
> > move on to other things.
>
> Maybe because I'm still young, but I always believe
> that your future is in your own hands, not at your
> company's discretion. If I don't get what I want, then
> I move on to another company. It might change when I
> get married and have kids, in which I have to worry if
> my child eats Frosted Flakes cereal in the morning or
> if he/she goes to school hungry. Until then, I am
> free.
>
> > On the other hand, Satar is a consultant.
>
> I also have a full time job, but hopefully I can quit
> my job soon if this project I'm currently working on
> is sucessful. I have goals, and I am close to
> self-actualizing them.
>
> > And looking at the world from that direction, you
> > wouldn't want anyone else around to do what you do
> > because you'd lose the contract if there were a
> > full-timer around (you can have a fulltimer put in
> > extra hours without having to pay more)
>
> Nice philosophy. In a dog-eat-dog world, it's good not
> to be a dog! Also, if you live in California, chances
> are you are getting paid by the hour, along with
> overtime. California residents, you might want to look
> into California Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) on the
> internet.
>
> > But as a full-time employee, I want someone else
> > around. Because there is ALWAYS too much work for
> > one person, at least in my shop.
>
> The MIS managers or system admins can experience
> Oracle Support if they can't get a hold of me.
> Unfortunately, they put a lo-jack system (cell phone)
> on me, so I am available to them 24/7. To date, after
> 1 and half years working for this company, none of my
> databases have experienced any problems. I like to
> think it's due to my expertise, or maybe I'm wrong,
> and it's just luck.
>
> Also, I hope this doesn't come across mean or
> unappreciative, but if you remove yourself from the
> list, you will give yourself so much more time to
> tackle the work at your shop. As you might have
> noticed, I removed myself from the list for 7-8 months
> while my company gave me the responsibility of UK's
> databases. I needed that time to go to the UK,
> configure and tune the datbases, setup an automated
> backup and recovery procedure, post application tuning
> and provide remote support, along with other things.
>
> I do have to agree with Christopher Spence, if this is
> a in-house Development, or continued developed oracle
> application environment, then of course you will need
> additional people to help you out.
>
> I initially replied to this post, because I was given
> the same opportunity to bring in another DBA for the
> UK. I chose to do the job myself, eliminating a
> part-time DBA that was positioned in the UK and also
> removing the need for Oracle Support in the UK (which
> is extremely expensive compared to the US).
>
> I made my suggestion based on my previous experiences
> as a consultant working for corporate America. You may
> call it cynical and paranoid, which is ok because
> everyone is entitled to their own views, but this is
> my reality.
>
> > Rachel
>
> Regards,
> Satar
>
> PS I'm glad to see you are OK from last week's
> attacks. I was praying for everyone in NY and
> Washington, especially for you. I hope you and your
> family are doing well.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
> Donate cash, emergency relief information
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> --
> Author: satar naghshineh
> INET: satarnag_at_yahoo.com
>
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