but of course I do! doesn't every goddess? :)
- "Gogala, Mladen" <MGogala_at_oxhp.com> wrote:
> Document getting hit by a bus? You must have a photographer
> following you around....
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:16 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
> >
> >
> > one of my old bosses used to prefix things with "if Rachel gets hit
> by
> > a bus...."
> >
> > still didn't hire anyone else, just asked me to document
> >
> >
> > --- "Koivu, Lisa" <lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com> wrote:
> > > Another angle: when I left my last job, I was the only dba.
> They
> > > panicked
> > > and did everything they could to try to keep me. The
> > result was they
> > > were
> > > left without a skilled dedicated dba, assigning my job
> > > responsibilities to a
> > > bda (big dumb a$$) who tried to learn it in one week.
> > >
> > > Any manager should be well aware of how dependent they
> > become on just
> > > one
> > > person in such an important role. What if that person gets hit
> by a
> > > bus?
> > >
> > > Lisa Koivu
> > > Oracle Database Administrator
> > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > 954-935-4117
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:15 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?
> > > >
> > > > Agreed, it is in the best interest of the company to have two
> > > Oracle
> > > > professionals. ESPECIALLY if your doing in house development.
> > > >
> > > > Production support, generally the amount of dba's is very
> > black and
> > > white,
> > > > you can tell by the amount of work they are doing and how much
> has
> > > to be
> > > > put
> > > > off to the next day. As for development, it is not as
> > measurable.
> > > I tend
> > > > to like a lot of involvement with development, even help out
> code
> > > when
> > > > there
> > > > are some issues that need to resolve quickly. It is very
> > > noticeable when
> > > > a
> > > > product is development without dba involvement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their
> shoes,
> > > that way
> > > > when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> > > shoes."
> > > >
> > > > Christopher R. Spence
> > > > Oracle DBA
> > > > Phone: (978) 322-5744
> > > > Fax: (707) 885-2275
> > > >
> > > > Fuelspot
> > > > 73 Princeton Street
> > > > North, Chelmsford 01863
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:10 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > > Well, this seems to me to be a cynical/paranoid way of looking
> at
> > > things.
> > > > Probably true in some circles though.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I'm with the Hire A Second DBA crowd. I, too, would
> > > much
> > > > rather
> > > > have a life. Too much fun stuff to do out there, too many
> > places to
> > > go and
> > > > beer to drink.
> > > >
> > > > --Walt (I'm goin' fishin') Weaver
> > > > Bozeman, Montana
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:45 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If we lived in a perfect world, where the employee
> > > > matters, then I would hire an additional DBA to share
> > > > ideas and responsibility.
> > > >
> > > > However, since we live in a capatilistic world, I
> > > > would do the job by myself for the following reasons:
> > > > 1. Management will see one of you as being redundant
> > > > during financial problems because there was one person
> > > > doing this job before, therefore they can get rid of
> > > > one of the DBAs and still be ok.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Mamangement acknowledges that there is a possible
> > > > need to hire an additional person, thus acknowledging
> > > > that you do the job of two people. This is a benefit
> > > > to you for asking for a big pay increase.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Hiring Oracle consultants and purchasing software
> > > > are tax deductible to the company as opposed to paying
> > > > a salary to another person and providing them with
> > > > Health Care and Office Space. At least in the USA.
> > > >
> > > > 4. If you hire a entry-level DBA, chances are that
> > > > he/she will learn his skill set from you and then
> > > > move on to bigger opportunities (which puts you back
> > > > to square one) or he/she will just stab you in the
> > > > back to try to get your job.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Satar
> > > >
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> > > > Author: Weaver, Walt
> > > > INET: wweaver_at_rightnow.com
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