RE: 2nd DBA or ?

From: Todd Carlson <tcarlson_at_tripos.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:25:36 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00394A5C.20010921071607@fatcity.com>

What’s with the normal sig. What the hell happened to the Wanton Kicking Boxing Goddess Lisa?

Todd Carlson

Oracle Database Administrator

Tripos, Inc.

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[mailto:root_at_fatcity.com] On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001
9:21 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:blue'>Another angle: when I left my last job, I was the only dba. They panicked and did everything they could to try to keep me. The result was they were left without a skilled dedicated dba, assigning my job responsibilities to a bda (big dumb a$$) who tried to learn it in one week.

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:blue'>Any manager should be well aware of how dependent they become on just one person in such an important role. What if that person gets hit by a bus?

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database
Administrator
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.

954-935-4117

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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:15 AM

To: Multiple recipients
of list ORACLE-L
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RE: 2nd
DBA or ?

Agreed, it is in the best interest of the company to have two Oracle
professionals.
ESPECIALLY if your doing in house development.

Production support, generally the amount of dba's is very black and white,
you
can tell by the amount of work they are doing and how much has to be put

off to
the next day. As for development, it is not as measurable. I tend

to
like a lot of involvement with development, even help out code when there

are
some issues that need to resolve quickly. It is very noticeable when a

product
is development without dba involvement.

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"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when
you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence Oracle
DBA
Phone:
(978) 322-5744
Fax:
(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73
Princeton Street
North,
Chelmsford 01863

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-----Original Message----- Sent:
Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:10 PM
To:
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Well, this seems to me to be a cynical/paranoid way of looking at things.
Probably
true in some circles though.

Personally, I'm with the Hire A Second DBA crowd. I, too, would much rather
have a
life. Too much fun stuff to do out there, too many places to go and

beer
to drink.

--Walt (I'm goin' fishin') Weaver
Bozeman, Montana

-----Original Message----- Sent:
Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To:
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

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If we lived in a perfect world, where the employee

matters,
then I would hire an additional DBA to share ideas
and responsibility.

However, since we live in a capatilistic world, I

would
do the job by myself for the following reasons: 1.
Management will see one of you as being redundant during
financial problems because there was one person doing
this job before, therefore they can get rid of one of
the DBAs and still be ok.

2. Mamangement acknowledges that there is a possible

need
to hire an additional person, thus acknowledging that
you do the job of two people. This is a benefit to you
for asking for a big pay increase.

3. Hiring Oracle consultants and purchasing software

are
tax deductible to the company as opposed to paying a
salary to another person and providing them with Health
Care and Office Space. At least in the USA.

4. If you hire a entry-level DBA, chances are that

he/she
will learn his skill set from you and then move
on to bigger opportunities (which puts you back to
square one) or he/she will just stab you in the back
to try to get your job.

Regards,
Satar

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