when i was offered to bail out of the military in '92, it worked that
way.
Most of the people who had a skill set and could make it in private
industry, took the offer and left.
I didnt do too bad, 11 years in bail out and a 35K check :)
if enough people didnt take the money, the later people got nothing.
joe
>>> Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com 09/04/01 12:17PM
>>>Here they tapped people on the shoulder from behind. Noone knew
how manywere being let go and how long the process would take. You just
turnedaround quickly whenever you heard footsteps. I thought the tappers
shouldhave been wearing a black cloak and hood and tap you with a staff.
After theinitial layoffs, the rest of the staff was either asked to stay for
3months, 6 months, or 'we want you here for the future'. Of course the 3
and6 month people were given incentives to stay. The ones they really
wantedwere offered no additional incentives. Go
figure.Henry-----Original Message-----Sent: Monday,
September 03, 2001 6:30 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LI went through several major cuts when I worked at Citibank.
The first one was the one best handled... by the time anyone was told about
it, it was "ifyou are here listening to me, you are NOT one of the ones
let go"Worst was when we knew how many would be let go... and knew that
they had let go one less than that number... and there was one person out on
vacation. And they didn't catch him at the door. That was awkward to say
theleast>From: Kimberly Smith
<kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>>Reply-To:
ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>>Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list
alive>Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:27 -0800>>Man, I
remember the day when there were about 60 IT staff here.>Now, I believe
its under 20 or will be very shortly. It was a>tough week here last
week. We had to match what our client was>letting go so we did that
no problem. Pretty much everyone is>off to another project from
us. But to come in every morning and>see the Fujitsu HR department
catching people at the door before>going into the Fab to give them their
walking papers was tough.>Its the first place I have worked at that has
gone through that>(while I was there). I believe some upper
management will get>their papers this week.>>-----Original
Message----->Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM>To:
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L>>>if 40 is small, is
16 microscopic? (and of that 16, 5 are consultants)>>>
>From: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>> >Reply-To:
ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>> >Subject: Re: !! Keeping the list
alive> >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:35:23 -0800> >>
>> >Just to add to my previous comment:> >>
>I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.>
>> >The weak do not survive in this environment. The
developers> >I work with here are great. They're bright, hard
working and> >un-egotistical. They are even will to take
direction from the> >DBA in database related matters.>
>> >Not a duhveloper in the bunch.> >> >Ya
gotta love it!> >> >Jared> >> >On
Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:> > > Um, Kevin, if the
shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it. :)> > >> >
> Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I
know> > > are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers
require> > > so much attention that it kind of wears on you.
:)> > >> > > And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine
writing apps, thank you,> > > but we choose a path that requires
less 'direction' from users. ;)> > >> > >
Jared> > >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >
>
"Thomas, Kevin"> >
>
<Kevin.Thomas_at_cal
To: Multiple >recipients> >of>
> > list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
anais.com>
cc:> >
>
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by:
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> > list alive root_at_fatcity.com> > >> >
>> >
>
08/30/01 08:26 AM> >
>
Please respond to> >
>
ORACLE-L> > >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > > I have to say I
resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority> > >
couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie>
>(and> > > we> > > all are), I find this list
invaluable for getting advice on a wide >range>>
>of> > > topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or
tuned...I don't call >you> > > guys names, and let's face it
you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent> > > application if your lives
depended on it...> > >> > > (blue touch-paper lit,
retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,> >and> >
> wait for fireworks)> > >> > >> > >
"hit any user to continue"> > > __________________> >
>> > > Kevin Thomas> > > Technical Analyst>
> > Deregulation Services> > > Calanais Ltd.> >
> (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)> > > Tel: 0141 568
2377> > > Fax: 0141 568 2366> > > <A
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http://www.calanais.com> >
>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> >
> Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46> > > To: Multiple recipients of
list ORACLE-L> > >> > >> > >> >
> no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the
>duhvelopers> >who> > >> > > make us
do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen>
>when> > > we tell them the correct way to design the
tables.> > >> > > :)> > >> >
> From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>> >
>> > > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> > >
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>> > > >Subject: RE: !! Keeping the
list alive> > > >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800>
> > >> > > >Just look at the number of OT postings in
the last couple of >months...> > > >> > >
>: )> > > >> > > >Patrice Boivin> >
> >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)> > > >>
> > >Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des
systèmes> > > >Technology
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Branch | Direction de
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> -----Original
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> You're surprised at
those willing to pay?> > > >> > >
> You have to realize
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under-worked> > >> > > >....> > >
>
<<ducking>>> > > >> > >
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> > >
>> > >
> > This list is
apparently a more valuable resource to many >of> > >>
> > you> > >> > > >than I> > >
>> > >
> >
realized.> > >
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> > > I'm
literally bowled over by the generosity. I've >received>
> > > > so
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> > about>
> > > > this
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