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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: No errors showed in the DBA Studio
Likewise, I always believed that if you had to use DOS, then you have a better understanding of how Windows operates, because it has to go through DOS to reach the hardware.
Assembly language is useful too, if you like headaches.
Another reason to learn the command line is that GUI tools very rarely include all the options, you usually have more flexibility when using commands than when using the GUI. The GUI is useful for doing simple, standardized tasks like creating one or two user accounts at a time.
e.g. when you install 8.1.7, you can't tell Oracle to use local administration of the tablespaces. You have to go in after the installation, delete all those tablespaces, and re-create them manually... using another GUI tool (DBA Studio)! When both tools should be able to do the same work.
Also, let's say Oracle decides they don't like a tool, and they drop it altogether, and come up with a different GUI. What will you do then? You have to learn a "new" application, and if you don't understand what is happening underneath, you won't be able to adapt as easily.
The GUI tools are not consistent either, some use the .ora file extension for datafiles, others use .dbf. It seems to change from version to version. I am also not clear on how the tools user small case vs. capital letters when creating datafiles on case-sensitive OSes. You have to be careful with these tools.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:08 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: No errors showed in the DBA Studio
I'm not morally opposed to GUI tools... and using them doesn't make
you a
bad DBA. But I really think that you (generic you) need to
understand what
the tool is doing, so that if you end up somewhere that doesn't have
and
won't buy the tool, you can still do your job.
>From: Beatriz Martínez Jiménez <beamar_at_cidaut.es>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: No errors showed in the DBA Studio
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:01:20 -0800
>
>A lot of thanks Rachel,
>it helps me a lot, although I would prefer to use a GUI tool
(despite of
>looking like a
>bad DBA).
>Thank you,
>
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
>
> > Here's a radical thought. You could actually go into sqlplus and
do a
>select
> > from the dba_errors or user_errors view. I realize that this is
will
>cause
> > many on this list to think of me as a dinosaur, ready to be
relegated to
>the
> > old DBAs home, but come on, if you are going to call yourself a
DBA you
> > should be able to look things up in the database WITHOUT a GUI
tool.
> >
> > I'll even be nice and give you the query:
> >
> > log into sqlplus as the procedure owner
> >
> > select * from user_errors order by line;
> >
> > here's an example:
> >
> > SQL> create procedure this_is_bad
> > 2 as
> > 3 select * from dual
> > 4 end;
> > 5
> > 5
> > 5 /
> >
> > Warning: Procedure created with compilation errors.
> >
> > SQL> select * from user_errors order by line;
> >
> > NAME TYPE SEQUENCE
>LINE
> > POSITION
> > ---------------------------------------- ------------ ---------
>---------
> > ---------
> > TEXT
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------
> > THIS_IS_BAD PROCEDURE 1
>3
> > 3
> > PLS-00103: Encountered the symbol "SELECT" when expecting one of
the
> > following:
> >
> > begin function package pragma procedure subtype type use
> > <an identifier> <a double-quoted delimited-identifier> cursor
> > form current external language
> > The symbol "begin" was substituted for "SELECT" to continue.
> >
> > THIS_IS_BAD PROCEDURE 2
>4
> > 1
> > PLS-00103: Encountered the symbol "END" when expecting one of
the
>following:
> >
> > . , @ ; for <an identifier>
> > <a double-quoted delimited-identifier> group having intersect
> > minus order partition start subpartition union where connect
> > SAMPLE_
> > The symbol ";" was substituted for "END" to continue.
> >
> > >From: Beatriz Martínez Jiménez <beamar_at_cidaut.es>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: No errors showed in the DBA Studio
> > >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:21:37 -0800
> > >
> > >Hello list,
> > >Oracle 8.1.7. NT4.0
> > >I have created some procedures in the DBA Studio, and when I
try to
> > >compile them I get that the procedure status is Invalid, but in
the
> > >'show error' window there is no message. The window appears but
it´s
> > >completely empty.
> > >Could somebody tell me what happens? Do i Have to configure
anything to
> > >display this errors?
> > >A lot of thanks,
> > ><< beamar.vcf >>
> >
> >
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