RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest

 There are a few studies that indicate our pre-agro ancestors did ALL the work for eating..hunting...killing...cooking...cleaning and eating in about 3 hours daily......that leaves alot of time to smell the roses.

Now...the neolithic farmers, on the other hand, spent considerable time farming ( and tending roses! :)

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 8/1/2001 1:46 PM

>Judy wrote;
>Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden
take
>lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and
>drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you
do!

I could not have said it better. Gardening is like therapy to me. When I
do some hoeing, I just imagine the weeds as members of damagement or some of
the bad (L)users and start hacking. It does wonders for the spirit. Some
good beer helps, and in Wisconsin, there is plenty. ;)

Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Yes, but you have to understand that those animals, trees, and garden take
lots of work! You have considerably less time to sit on your porch and drink an ice cold beer! Of course, it's just that much better when you do!

Seriously, I'm in the same boat as Dave, and the benefits greatly outweight
the disadvantages. We have three acres with a couple of horses. We've had
fresh tomatoes for a couple of weeks now, but we don't do the garden thing
otherwise. However, there are plenty of places to purchase fresh-picked produce around here. When you walk outside at night and see the sky ablaze
with stars, you realize what a truly remarkable world we live in. Really
helps with the attitude!

Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be a city dweller again!

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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I am so incredibally jealous of you!!! That's my little dream, land and
sweet smelling air and trees and animals and privacy. I want to go home after work, sit on a large porch that wraps around my house, put my feet up,
listen to some sweet James Taylor, smoke a grit and drink an ice cold beer
and watch the sun go down:) Anyway, back to reality:(

-----Original Message-----
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

This is why I have chosen to live in a rural community so that I can have a
huge garden and many fruit trees. And for the meat eaters, you can hunt Deer, turkey, pheasant and many other critters. This way I know that my produce has no chemicals and does not get picked until ripe. I just picked
my first tomatoes yesterday. I had lived in places like Chicago and San Francisco but got tired of the traffic and the high cost of living. Yes, I
make less than my counter parts from the big cities but my costs are less.
But more importanly, I live in a place where I can walk out my backdoor and
see nothing but fields and forest. It's the greatest cure for stress!!

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Rachel,

Do you have the 'Farmer's markets' in NY like we have here in CA? (where farmers freight and sell their farm-grown veggies and fruits in a specially
agreed upon place/schedule) Have *entirely* stopped buying veggies/fruits
from the grocery store since the farmer's markets opened this Spring. Will
miss them in Fall/Winter though.... I did go down to a farm and hand-picked
berries in NJ when we were there. Is it worth the drive down the turnpike?

John Kanagaraj

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:17 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
>
>
>Ian,
>
>You have my sympathies for your struggles. And my respect for
>how you seem
>to be dealing with them. My husband was a hemophiliac. Just
>living with that
>as an adult was hard. To live with a genetic disorder in a
>child must be
>infinitely harder. I have an enormous respect for my mother-in-law who
>raised such a child and did not wrap him in cotton-wool, "in
>case he got
>hurt".
>
>You are in CA, where you can get a much better assortment of
>non-store-bought produce than I can here in NYC, although I
>tend to frequent
>the greenmarkets and try to buy what is in season when I buy
>in stores. Even
>then, store-bought doesn't taste as good as fresh-picked. I
>have converted
>one person at work to never eating store-bought strawberries
>again, he tried
>some from the greenmarket when they were in season and was convinced.
>
>Rachel
>
>
>>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
>>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>Subject: RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:35 -0800
>>
>>So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks. What was the
>life expectancy
>>of early hominids? I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild
>>blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter
>than the store
>>bought ones.
>>
>>Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an
>article store
>>bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose
>of fruit is to
>>be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system
>intact to be
>>planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the
>more animals
>>are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny.
>>
>>As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with
>commercial
>>produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported
>>unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree.
>>
>>
>>My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten
>free diet.
>>It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has
>increased and
>>her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I
>lean more towards
>>non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread
>pudding in case
>>I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and
>cassein.
>>Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn
>flakes. Most soy
>>cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy
>cheeses. It is very
>>difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of
>the diet would
>>be harder still.
>>
>>Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene
>is involved.
>>Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about
>the first month
>>of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via
>amniocentesis, much
>>like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes
>noticeable somewhere
>>between 15 months and two years.
>>
>>So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are
>>double-blind studies which indicate some children do better
>on such a
>>diet.
>>
>>
>>I like to think the experience has made me a better person.
>Before, when a
>>developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act
>like the kid was
>>contagious.
>>
>>
>>Ian MacGregor
>>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>>ian_at_slac.stanford.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:12 PM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>
>>
>>http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:36 PM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>
>>
>>Blah, I did not work my way to the top of the food chain to be a
>>vegatarian.
>>
>>"Walking on water and developing software from a
>specification are easy if
>>both are frozen."
>>
>>Christopher R. Spence
>>Oracle DBA
>>Fuelspot
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:01 PM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>
>>
>>Save the animals - eat a PETAn!!!
>>
>>--Scott
>>
>>
>>love doing this:
>>PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
>>
>>joe
>>
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