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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip
Hi Bruce,
The list has done a good job of giving me warm fuzzies about the alpha. I did read through those articles describing the demise of the alpha chip. However, with the size and power of the 8400 I think we'll be OK on this server for at least a few years, if not more. I figure as long as compaq will support it, we'll be OK for now. There is also no shortage of resellers for parts.
I have never worked at a company where money was such a huge issue. Even if I went to my boss and said, We're looking at a migration in a couple of years due to the discontinuation of the alpha chip, let's go IBM, I'd have to pitch a huge budget that would never fly. Upper management has no confidence in any IT employees. We have to start somewhere to build some credibility.
Damn... I am really beginning to sound like a manager. I think I need a girls' night out with Captain Morgan.
So let's ask the entire list: Does anyone see anything negative coming from compaq's announcement about the alpha? I really don't see it being a huge problem. I'd be interested in any comments to the contrary.
Thanks
Lisa Koivu
Oracle DataBored Administrator
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) [SMTP:Bruce.Reardon_at_comalco.riotinto.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server
Hi Lisa,
I also have good feelings for VMS so don't see the problem with an Alpha. As for the disk farms, the RAID 7000 gave very good performance on VMS so 2 of the es10K should be excellent.
You and your company are of course aware that Compaq is planning to stop
Alpha chip development in 2-3 years and will port Tru64, VMS and NonStop
Kernel OS to Itanium processor family.
(if not see http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001062501.html
and http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ceo_letter.html as starting
points).
Regards,
Bruce Reardon
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2001 2:11
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi Lisa,
That doesn't sound too bad, the 8400 is a solid piece of kit. 64-bit, up to
14 CPUs and 28G of memory. They have seriously good I/O bandwidth. Needs a
three-phase power supply and weighs, literally, half a tonne. And best of
all, you can run VMS on them!
g
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:46 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Bruce,
It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old
hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's,
along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a
bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining software
licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some duct
tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for
their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting
this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive.
I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option.
See doesn't this sound like a director's job??
Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
[SMTP:Bruce.Reardon_at_comalco.riotinto.com.au]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Lisa,
Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ?
Regards,
Bruce Reardon
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Thanks Kimberly,
I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or
they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :)
They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of
reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty.
Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I
did
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is
anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no
matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the
nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard.
I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab
critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database
servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me
crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It
would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the
server, that would notice.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Good morning everyone,
Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should
consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any
guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the
current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard
numbers. This is for a dw application.
Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can
help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that
doesn't have a sysadmin on staff...
Thanks
Lisa Koivu
Oracle Data Bored Administrator
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
954-935-4117
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