From JTESTA@longaberger.com Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:26:35 -0700 From: "JOE TESTA" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:26:35 -0700 Subject: RE: OT: Working from home Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain so then if you use a REAL SMALL Font(like this msg),   then you can get more word with less pages per book and make more?   Joe >>> carmichr@hotmail.com 06/15/01 11:51AM >>>well, there are different rules for different things... it's not the number of pages, it's the number of words :)back in the early days of pulp fiction, writers were paid by the word, not the story... the more words, the more money. Made for very very detailed stories :)>From: "Toepke, Kevin M" >Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT: Working from home>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:05:52 -0800>>Come on Rachel. You mean that lines of code is not a good measure of a>programmer's productivity? Next thing you'll tell me the its not the number>of pages that makes a book good? :->>>(fleeing for my life)>>-----Original Message----->Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:01 AM>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L>>>Nuno, you are preaching to the choir here I think :)>>There was a manager in that same shop who measured her programmers >abilities>>by the number of lines of code they wrote in a day. She also said to me >once>>"I don't like to waste time on design">>Truly.   And they wondered why people kept quitting on her.>>>> >From: "Nuno Souto" > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >Subject: Re: OT: Working from home> >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:45:53 -0800> >> >----- Original Message -----> > >> > > So we all lied a lot. And this was "sitting at our desks"> > >> >> >> >That IMHO is the main flaw of all these new management techniques> >and "metrics" being pushed by methodology reps.  They are> >very good when dealing with coal face workers.  They haven't got> >a chance in hell of accurately representing working patterns when> >dealing with a technical job.  Most of them are extrapolated> >from factory environments, where the amount of work is easy to> >measure in terms of units/hour.  Since none of them even make> >an effort at defining what's a unit of work for a DBA or a designer> >or an "architect" or even an analyst, they fail miserably in> >properly tracking this type of job.> >> >Result?   Totally incorrect project metrics and cost extrapolations.> >Corollary?  Make these jobs disappear because of their "inconvenience"> >in fitting a flawed model.  Not fix the model.> >> >And they wonder why projects can easily "fail"?  They can't even> >accurately define "failure" nowadays!> >> >> >Cheers> >Nuno Souto> >nsouto@nsw.bigpond.net.au> >http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den> >> >> >--> >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com> >--> >Author: Nuno Souto> >   INET: nsouto@nsw.bigpond.net.au> >> >Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051> >San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists> >--------------------------------------------------------------------> >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message> >to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in> >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L> >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may> >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).>>_________________________________________________________________>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com>>-->Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com>-->Author: Rachel Carmichael>   INET: carmichr@hotmail.com>>Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051>San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists>-------------------------------------------------------------------->To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message>to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may>also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).>-->Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com>-->Author: Toepke, Kevin M>   INET: ktoepke@cms.cendant.com>>Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051>San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists>-------------------------------------------------------------------->To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message>to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may>also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing)._________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Rachel Carmichael  INET: carmichr@hotmail.comFat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists--------------------------------------------------------------------To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).