RE: What next ?

<knocking self on side of head>

I never thought of that!

Geez...the stuff they don't cover in the Advanced OCP Course!

|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: Kevin Lange [mailto:kgel_at_ppoone.com]
|| Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:09 PM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| Subject: RE: What next ?
||
||
|| Then Ross ...... I would look them in the face and say "If
|| you have not
|| known for weeks then it can't be all that damn critical now can it !"
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:37 PM
|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
||
||
|| You think 35:1 is bad! Try 69:(1/2) ( I work half fast )
||
|| Sometimes a critical 24x7 database goes down and people
|| don't know for weeks!
||
||
||
|| || -----Original Message-----
|| || From: Alan Aschenbrenner [mailto:alan.aschenbrenner_at_ihs.com]
|| || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM
|| || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| || Subject: RE: What next ?
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| || You think an 11:1 database to dba ratio is bad? Try
|| about a 35:1
|| || ratio! Just not enough hours in the day to check on them all....
|| ||
|| || Alan Aschenbrenner
|| || IHS Group
|| || alan.aschenbrenner_at_ihs.com <mailto:alan.aschenbrenner_at_ihs.com>
|| || (303)-858-6394
|| ||
|| || -----Original Message-----
|| || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:47 PM
|| || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| ||
|| ||
|| || Hey, I was just telling someone I was in hell. A database
|| || to dba ratio
|| || of 11:1, all 24x7 is simply
|| || not a good ratio.
|| ||
|| || -----Original Message-----
|| || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:33 PM
|| || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| ||
|| ||
|| ||
|| || Ross, you are being superceded as the chief goof. Get busy!
|| ||
|| || Me, I had to kiss the current dbas' feet, shower them with
|| || compliments
|| || about their databases, ask them tough questions, show them
|| || how to write
|| || pl/sql, grow some grey hair and buy them beer. I also
|| || planted a potato
|| || in my back yard behind the tree stump after practicing my
|| || Wicca rituals,
|| || night chants and fire dances. Within one year I was a dba
|| || :) and it's
|| || been hell ever since.
|| ||
|| ||
|| || -----Original Message-----
|| || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:56 PM
|| || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| ||
|| || Nope. DBAs are chosen, not trained. To become a good DBA one
|| || must
|| || go to Mt. Sinai and talk to a burning bush. If the bush
|| talks back,
|| || then the applicant will have the power to split the seas of
|| || data into
|| || partitions. Instead of appealing to pharaoh to let his
|| people go, the
|| || real
|| || DBA uses the phrase "will you, please, lay off that @#!
|| || beeper and leave
|| || me
|| || alone?". DBAs communicate with the developers/users in terms of
|| || commandments.
|| || Disobeying them can have excruciating consequences for
|| all those who
|| || dare to
|| || disrespect a DBA. To make, the long story short, being a DBA is a
|| || calling
|| || and
|| || not a job.
|| || Sincerely yours,
|| || BDBAFH
|| ||
|| || -----Original Message-----
|| || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:41 AM
|| || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|| ||
|| ||
|| || At 09:50 PM 6/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
|| || >Do you want a paper to say you are marginally qualified to
|| || be a DBA or
|| || do
|| || >you actually want to learn database administration?
|| || >
|| ||
|| || To a large extent I agree with you about the relative
|| || unimportance of paper
|| || qualifications. However, one thing that a formal course of
|| || study is good
|| ||
|| || for, is to make you aware of all the nooks and crannies of
|| || your chosen
|| || subject. For instance, if you are self-taught, and the subject of
|| || replication never comes up, you may never even *know*
|| that it exists.
|| || Or,
|| || unless you are very self-disciplined, you may never do
|| anything with
|| || crash
|| || recovery until actually presented with the need (a bad time to be
|| || learning
|| || it, IMO).
|| ||
|| || So if you are going to go the self-study route, have a formal
|| || plan of some
|| || kind -- whether it's getting hold of the course curriculum
|| || for Oracle
|| || courses, of just getting some good DBA books and going
|| through them
|| || beginning to end.
|| ||
|| ||
|| || Dennis Taylor
|| || --------------------------------
|| || Living with a saint is harder than being one.
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